Unpopular DB opinions

[Kid Buu]

Agreed. In the beginning when everyone's strengths were shown to be closer, he was useful in that regard, but as the losses piled up and powers broke the scale, his role in the narrative shifted.

Once he lost to the Mummy who Goku one shot it was hard to take Yamcha seriously as a competitor.

[MasenkoHA]

Agreed. In the beginning when everyone's strengths were shown to be closer, he was useful in that regard, but as the losses piled up and powers broke the scale, his role in the narrative shifted.

Once he lost to the Mummy who Goku one shot it was hard to take Yamcha seriously as a competitor.

Eh I don’t think there was one single moment but a combination of moments. He still did respectable against Tenshinhan but a combination of being humiliated by Kami/Shen and getting kamikazed by a Saibaman (which I’ll defend as the best possible option for Yamucha’s demise there) and then being taken out by a swift hand impalement from Gero on top of his rep of early Dragon Ball as “being the guy ea defeated in the quarterfinals by the fighter Goku will have to face in the finals at the 21st and 22nd Budokai.

[WittyUsername]

I’m pretty tired of the long-running joke about how much Yamcha sucks, which is ultimately my big problem with him being shafted in favor of Roshi. It would be nice if the character could get a win for once.

[ABED]

The joke is more than fair, even if it's overdone and I don't think this is an either or situation. Just because Muten Roshi doesn't make sense for the team, neither does Yamcha. And if they were to do it, give him a single win; don't go overboard.

[precita]

Yamcha and the other humans were originally retired at the end of the Cell games.

Super made the mistake of focusing on nostalgia then proper progression, hence why Trunks and Goten do nothing now despite being far stronger than any human or even Piccolo.

[Soppa Saia People]

^ honestly i wish toriyama retired More characters from fighting during the original story. i just finished the yyh anime (took like a decade lol) and for as much as three kings is a bit of a mess, one thing i really like about it is how kuwabara is retired because his story is done. that's just so much more satisfying then having a character lag around in the background not doing anything. granted with the way character delvopment works in dragon ball, that would basically mean every character would more or less be retired after their first story arc, but still, does piccolo really need to be on namek, does the story really need to pretend that yamcha needs to be taken seriously against the cyborgs, same with krillin in the boo arc ? obviously don't get rid of their characters completely like how i assume toriyama tried to do with tenshinhan at the end of cell, but still.

[ABED]

For a story to take place on Namek and NOT have Piccolo visit his homeland would feel very unsatisfying. It's subtle, but I think just him being there and meeting his own people and merging with one of them did a lot for his character development.

Tenshinhan showing up every now and then even if to just distract the bad guy works well.

I agree with you fundamentally, but not necessarily those examples.

[Soppa Saia People]

i actually agree with that tenshinhan point, i don't think i said otherwise. unlike yamcha, krillin, piccolo post god merge, ten doesn't have a lot of character and the character he does have doesn't really work with casual watching of tournaments, so having him still show up on a occasion works.

[MasenkoHA]

^ honestly i wish toriyama retired More characters from fighting during the original story. i just finished the yyh anime (took like a decade lol) and for as much as three kings is a bit of a mess, one thing i really like about it is how kuwabara is retired because his story is done. that's just so much more satisfying then having a character lag around in the background not doing anything. granted with the way character delvopment works in dragon ball, that would basically mean every character would more or less be retired after their first story arc, but still, does piccolo really need to be on namek, does the story really need to pretend that yamcha needs to be taken seriously against the cyborgs, same with krillin in the boo arc ? obviously don't get rid of their characters completely like how i assume toriyama tried to do with tenshinhan at the end of cell, but still.

They’re on Piccolo’s home planet (even if its only his home in a real roundabout way) it would be weird if he or Kami never showed up there

[Soppa Saia People]

but i mean piccolo wasn't even technically born there, the story has nothing to really do with piccolo or his (non) connection to the planets people, and as a result it just feels like pointless. there's no struggle with piccolo about being a namekian or him wanting to see his home planet, he's not really fighting for it or for it's people. god has waaay more of a connection to but obviously he's a minor character and a non fighter who didn't come so...i guess piccolo is the next best option. i just wish it was done better, because the way it is done and the way piccolo's role in namek plays out, it just feels pointless to me.

[ABED]

but i mean piccolo wasn't even technically born there, the story has nothing to really do with piccolo or his (non) connection to the planets people, and as a result it just feels like pointless. there's no struggle with piccolo about being a namekian or him wanting to see his home planet, he's not really fighting for it or for it's people. god has waaay more of a connection to but obviously he's a minor character and a non fighter who didn't come so...i guess piccolo is the next best option. i just wish it was done better, because the way it is done and the way piccolo's role in namek plays out, it just feels pointless to me.

He is the reincarnation of Kami's dark side. They share a mental link so in effect he was born on Namek. And when he merges with Nail, it's clear that he's fighting in part for his people.

Piccolo/Kami's yearning for his homeworld doesn't have to be some struggle. It can just be the missing piece of the puzzle. He now knows where he came from and it's tangible. It's very common to hear people visit their ancestral home country and see it as a life changing experience even if they never had a direct connection to it.

[Koitsukai]

Roshi came back like what, 10 arcs after his own ended? He was useless background material by the time the original manga was finished, and even in GT he remained retired. Not even in my wildest dreams I thought he'd be fighting again if the show ever came back.
Who's to say the same won't happen to Yamcha in the future? maybe they'll find something to do with him if we ever go past EoZ.

I, personally, don't see why or what kind of bone he could be thrown, the show has gone too far for him, but if Roshi came back and to play such a big role in the manga ToP...

Of course, for that to happen you'd need to be at least "liked" by the author, which Yamcha is definitely not. I mean, he was turned into a cheater just to justify Bulma getting it on with the dude that "killed" every zetto-senshi a year before.

[MasenkoHA]

but i mean piccolo wasn't even technically born there, the story has nothing to really do with piccolo or his (non) connection to the planets people, and as a result it just feels like pointless. there's no struggle with piccolo about being a namekian or him wanting to see his home planet, he's not really fighting for it or for it's people. god has waaay more of a connection to but obviously he's a minor character and a non fighter who didn't come so...i guess piccolo is the next best option. i just wish it was done better, because the way it is done and the way piccolo's role in namek plays out, it just feels pointless to me.

He is the reincarnation of Kami's dark side. They share a mental link so in effect he was born on Namek. And when he merges with Nail, it's clear that he's fighting in part for his people.

Piccolo/Kami's yearning for his homeworld doesn't have to be some struggle. It can just be the missing piece of the puzzle. He now knows where he came from and it's tangible. It's very common to hear people visit their ancestral home country and see it as a life changing experience even if they never had a direct connection to it.

On top of that him almost dying (again) when Freeza blast him before killing Kuririn adds tension because he dies the dragon balls are lost again and none of the Z warriors are coming back. You don’t get the tension if he just got brought back on standby on earth.

[TobyS]

Yamcha and the other humans were originally retired at the end of the Cell games.

Super made the mistake of focusing on nostalgia then proper progression, hence why Trunks and Goten do nothing now despite being far stronger than any human or even Piccolo.

False. Kuririn stopped training and Yamcha stopped “fighting” sometime in the 7 year gap after Cell.
Ten and Chaozu never did.

The boys were never stronger than Piccolo and certainly not any more.

[Kid Buu]

They essentially did. After that his biggest contribution was...getting impaled by Gero’s hand.

Toriyama could have just have him stopped fighitng after his resurection to focus on baseball. Having him seperate from the Z Fighters would make his break up with Bulma more beliveable too. Makes for a better ending than getting implaed by Gero and beaten up by a Cell Jr.

[Jord]

Yamcha and the other humans were originally retired at the end of the Cell games.

Super made the mistake of focusing on nostalgia then proper progression, hence why Trunks and Goten do nothing now despite being far stronger than any human or even Piccolo.

False. Kuririn stopped training and Yamcha stopped “fighting” sometime in the 7 year gap after Cell.
Ten and Chaozu never did.

The boys were never stronger than Piccolo and certainly not any more.

Then again Yamcha did enjoy fighting again in the afterlife during the Buu saga.

[MasenkoHA]

They essentially did. After that his biggest contribution was...getting impaled by Gero’s hand.

Toriyama could have just have him stopped fighitng after his resurection to focus on baseball. Having him seperate from the Z Fighters would make his break up with Bulma more beliveable too. Makes for a better ending than getting implaed by Gero and beaten up by a Cell Jr.

Bulma was always ready to trade Yamucha up. Their break up because she had sex with Vegeta was already believable

[Noah]

The thing about Yamcha is that ever since original DB he was more like a pushover, but never straight a joke character. That's what Super made of him, that baseball episode ending with him doing his death pose just because of the meme and him waiting an invite from Goku for the ToP, not funny at all.

But, that's talking about a series trying too hard to being somewhat like fans perspective.

Wasn't Yamcha's spot taken over by Roshi in RoF already? I can't recall why Yamcha didn't fight Freeza's Army.

Tien wouldn't allow him to join the fight due to it being "too dangerous" for him.

Didn't Yamcha came back with the same line regardng Tien and Chiaotzu? I remember something like that... Probably on his manga or something.

Besides, punishing users for bad behavior, the admins of this site should also encourage good behavior by having something like a "User of the month" or something with him or her having a separate color on the forum and I dunno, get something like $50 from the admins as a reward.

With all do respect: Fuck no. No one is gonna pay 50 of their actual currency just because some guy on the internet was a cool dude.

That made me laugh more than I should.

[ABED]

The thing about Yamcha is that ever since original DB he was more like a pushover, but never straight a joke character. That's what Super made of him, that baseball episode ending with him doing his death pose just because of the meme and him waiting an invite from Goku for the ToP, not funny at all.

I get your point, but 1) turning him into a joke character isn't stretch. If he's going to serve any purpose on the show when he hasn't for years, being the perpetual butt of the joke works well, 2) are any of us that bothered by what became of Yamcha? Really, Yamcha? and 3) I agree that the death pose joke is too fanservice-y.

[WittyUsername]

The thing about Yamcha is that ever since original DB he was more like a pushover, but never straight a joke character. That's what Super made of him, that baseball episode ending with him doing his death pose just because of the meme and him waiting an invite from Goku for the ToP, not funny at all.

I get your point, but 1) turning him into a joke character isn't stretch. If he's going to serve any purpose on the show when he hasn't for years, being the perpetual butt of the joke works well, 2) are any of us that bothered by what became of Yamcha? Really, Yamcha? and 3) I agree that the death pose joke is too fanservice-y.

As I said, Yamcha isn’t a favorite character of mine, but all the jokes at his expense get pretty tiresome after a while. It doesn’t help that Yamcha is probably one of the nicer and more down-to-earth members of the cast, so it can come across as unjustified.