Unpopular DB opinions

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The introduction of the Androids did more damage to Freeza's character than any material that would follow it.

*The introduction of 16, 17 and 18.
While 19 and 20 are way too powerful even at their starting points, I think Toriyama somewhat helped the issue by making them energy based and Cell obviously works because he's a bizarre combination of everyone to justify his power/potential. It's the middle Androids who screw the pooch.

Yeah, I should have been more specific about which Androids I was referring to. 16, 17, 18 and 19 are who I'm talking about. But 17 and 18 are the worst offenders due to the fact they are mostly human. Seriously, that absolutely murders any kind of mystique Freeza's character had. Freeza was by no means this unbelievable force of nature that should be reckoned with in the universe. He was ultimately just a big fish in a small pond. Because ultimately, an old, very intelligent, mad scientist in a cave with a box of scraps, with no idea of how strong Freeza is, can somehow created cyborgs that are far stronger than Freeza ever wished he could be.

I fucking hate that so much.

It makes Freeza look like the luckiest character ever. Because if Dr Gero had decided to carry out his plan sooner and on a scale as large as Freeza, Freeza and his army would have been no match for him. People can complain about the circumstance of Freeza's official return in Resurrection F and how they feel the character wasn't explored in all the depth possible, and I will agree on several of those points, despite how much I love the film, but Resurrection F did one thing right in my eyes... it restored the notion that Freeza is a freak of nature that really shouldn't be swept aside so nonchalantly. If only Freeza acted a bit more smarter in that movie, he would have won.

Luckily enough, RoF actually rectified this problem.

[ekrolo2]

Luckily enough, RoF actually rectified this problem.

Ehh I don't know about that, F was Freeza losing what little credibility he had left if you ask me.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Luckily enough, RoF actually rectified this problem.

Ehh I don't know about that, F was Freeza losing what little credibility he had left if you ask me.

Don't get me wrong, it did lots of things wrong. However, it did rectify the Android problem.

[ekrolo2]

Super Perfect Cell shouldn't exist. I mean, lore-wise he shouldn't. Vegeta says self-inflicted injuries don't give Zenkai and blowing yourself up is about as self-inflicted as it gets

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Vegeta says self-inflicted injuries don't give Zenkai...

I don't remember this, could someone give me the quote?

Either way, zenkai are inconsistent enough for me to forgive it.

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta says self-inflicted injuries don't give Zenkai...

I don't remember this, could someone give me the quote?

Either way, zenkai are inconsistent enough for me to forgive it.

Here it is:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Lunatic Fringe]

Super Perfect Cell shouldn't exist. I mean, lore-wise he shouldn't. Vegeta says self-inflicted injuries don't give Zenkai and blowing yourself up is about as self-inflicted as it gets

I always wrote it off as another instance of Cell having no downsides to the familiar abilities of the fighters he got his techniques and buffs from.

Like, with his Multi Form technique he got from Tenshinhan, I recall his ki not dropping one bit. Same with the times that he regenerated, which is something that ought to happen with any regular Namekians.

[ekrolo2]

Super Perfect Cell shouldn't exist. I mean, lore-wise he shouldn't. Vegeta says self-inflicted injuries don't give Zenkai and blowing yourself up is about as self-inflicted as it gets

I always wrote it off as another instance of Cell having no downsides to the familiar abilities of the fighters he got his techniques and buffs from.

Like, with his Multi Form technique he got from Tenshinhan, I recall his ki not dropping one bit. Same with the times that he regenerated, which is something that ought to happen with any regular Namekians.

I'm pretty sure he never used multi-form in the manga and him regenerating did cause his ki to drop. His only upgrade for that seems to be him being able to regen faster than Piccolo.

[DBZAOTA482]

Super Perfect Cell shouldn't exist. I mean, lore-wise he shouldn't. Vegeta says self-inflicted injuries don't give Zenkai and blowing yourself up is about as self-inflicted as it gets

Goku got a bunch of zenkais from injuring himself when he was training for Namek.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Super Perfect Cell shouldn't exist. I mean, lore-wise he shouldn't. Vegeta says self-inflicted injuries don't give Zenkai and blowing yourself up is about as self-inflicted as it gets

Goku got a bunch of zenkais from injuring himself when he was training for Namek.

That was filler, if I remember correctly.

[ekrolo2]

Super Perfect Cell shouldn't exist. I mean, lore-wise he shouldn't. Vegeta says self-inflicted injuries don't give Zenkai and blowing yourself up is about as self-inflicted as it gets

Goku got a bunch of zenkais from injuring himself when he was training for Namek.

That was filler, if I remember correctly.

I think he's referring to Goku wearing himself down over and over though this is more of a product of the gravity taking its toll on him. He didn't just smash himself with blasts for the whole trip.

[Kanassa]

I think the Saiyan Saga and the Buu Saga were Z's only good arcs.

[Bansho64]

SSGSS or Super Saiyan Blue is my least favorite Saiyan transformation and is, in my.opinion, the worst of the Saiyan forms or power ups.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Piccolo was at his most useless during the Namek/Freeza arc.

[TheGreatness25]

SSGSS or Super Saiyan Blue is my least favorite Saiyan transformation and is, in my.opinion, the worst of the Saiyan forms or power ups.

Agreed. Super Saiyan Rose and White and whatever else recolor they'll come up with is right on up there. I think it's lazy.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

The introduction of the Androids did more damage to Freeza's character than any material that would follow it.

*The introduction of 16, 17 and 18.
While 19 and 20 are way too powerful even at their starting points, I think Toriyama somewhat helped the issue by making them energy based and Cell obviously works because he's a bizarre combination of everyone to justify his power/potential. It's the middle Androids who screw the pooch.

Yeah, I should have been more specific about which Androids I was referring to. 16, 17, 18 and 19 are who I'm talking about. But 17 and 18 are the worst offenders due to the fact they are mostly human. Seriously, that absolutely murders any kind of mystique Freeza's character had. Freeza was by no means this unbelievable force of nature that should be reckoned with in the universe. He was ultimately just a big fish in a small pond. Because ultimately, an old, very intelligent, mad scientist in a cave with a box of scraps, with no idea of how strong Freeza is, can somehow created cyborgs that are far stronger than Freeza ever wished he could be.

I fucking hate that so much.

It makes Freeza look like the luckiest character ever. Because if Dr Gero had decided to carry out his plan sooner and on a scale as large as Freeza, Freeza and his army would have been no match for him. People can complain about the circumstance of Freeza's official return in Resurrection F and how they feel the character wasn't explored in all the depth possible, and I will agree on several of those points, despite how much I love the film, but Resurrection F did one thing right in my eyes... it restored the notion that Freeza is a freak of nature that really shouldn't be swept aside so nonchalantly. If only Freeza acted a bit more smarter in that movie, he would have won.

I agree, I did like the fact Resurrection F re-established Freeza as a prodigy by showing he can become exponentially stronger if he trains. For me this is the perfect example of Toriyama doing the best he can with shallow storytelling, but I can justify it with Freeza's motive for training being the fact he was defeated by both Goku and Trunks.

[Gaffer Tape]

Piccolo was at his most useless during the Namek/Freeza arc.

Oh, I totally agree. He had nothing to do with the plot. Not a single bit. And the only actual contribution he made to the fight was to distract Freeza while Goku was building his Genki Dama, a task that could have (and narratively should have) gone to Kuririn and Gohan.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

SSGSS or Super Saiyan Blue is my least favorite Saiyan transformation and is, in my.opinion, the worst of the Saiyan forms or power ups.

I liked the original design of SSB, the one that resembled SS God. Unfortunately, it did end up being a recolor in the end.

[dbgtFO]

SSGSS or Super Saiyan Blue is my least favorite Saiyan transformation and is, in my.opinion, the worst of the Saiyan forms or power ups.

I liked the original design of SSB, the one that resembled SS God. Unfortunately, it did end up being a recolor in the end.

The original design of SSB?? I'm sure there's only been one design, the one we've seen from the beginning, as drawn by Toriyama, so I'd like to know: what are you referring to?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

SSGSS or Super Saiyan Blue is my least favorite Saiyan transformation and is, in my.opinion, the worst of the Saiyan forms or power ups.

I liked the original design of SSB, the one that resembled SS God. Unfortunately, it did end up being a recolor in the end.

The original design of SSB?? I'm sure there's only been one design, the one we've seen from the beginning, as drawn by Toriyama, so I'd like to know: what are you referring to?

Maybe I didn't word that as well as I should have. In Toriyama's designs, SSB was skinny, like SSG. If you're familiar with me, you know I'm a sucker for Toriyama's skinny designs.