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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by MasenkoHA » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:26 am

Soppa Saia People wrote:
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Which isn’t even a little bit true. Kid Goku, Adult Goku, Kid Gohan, older Gohan, and Goten all sound distinctively different and are quite easy to pick out without
having to watch the screen.
i can sorta understand how people think boo saga gohan and adult goku sound too much alike, but i feel like if you're familiar enough with either voice it won't be a issue, but everything else i just don't see. kid gohan and goku especially sound very different, i genuinely don't understand how someone can confuse the two. same with goten and gohan/goku.
I can maybe understand Goku and Boo saga Gohan sounding too similar but even then Gohan tends to be more subdued.

I got nothing for anyone who says Goku and young Gohan sound too similar. It just aint even a little bit true.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kokonoe » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:53 am

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A lot of that seems less to do with original vs. adaptation and just a matter of syntax of the subtitles.
However the meaning changes with lines like this.
it is because you cherish life that you must protect it...
In the English there is actually a really strong moral lesson here, a different kind. The message is that it's okay to fight if it means to protect.
Set your spirit free to your anger. I know how it feels. You just can’t take it any longer. Nature and the animals that I, too, liked...

D-Defend them for me.
Whereas in the Japanese, although he is essentially coaching Gohan in a sense, there is more of "please do this for me", instead of "please do this for yourself".

Like he's saying to let loose your anger and whereas in English he's saying it's okay and not a wrong to hurt someone else if it means defending life itself.

It's just much better wording and a much more solid meaning all around.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:13 am

Fair enough, but that's a minor instance and there are an overwhelming number of examples of the original being superior.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:08 pm

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I can maybe understand Goku and Boo saga Gohan sounding too similar but even then Gohan tends to be more subdued.
i actually watched the first couple Boo saga episodes today for the first time, and actually hearing her older gohan voice in like actual episodes and not just video games and the occasional clips, i really don't think they sound that much alike. it just sounds like her kid gohan voice but deeper.

i will say that her future gohan and goku voice are more or less the same voice wise, but whatever, for the main series none of her characters are so similar where it becomes confusing.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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I think the Boo saga is a lot of fun and I have a lot of fondness for it despite its structural issues.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:44 pm

Goten and Kid Trunks are some of the blandest characters Toriyama has ever come up with. And the fact they are thrust into the position of protagonist(s) in the Majin Boo arc makes their portions of the arc the weakest by far.

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Post by MyVisionity » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:32 pm

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Goten and Kid Trunks are some of the blandest characters Toriyama has ever come up with. And the fact they are thrust into the position of protagonist(s) in the Majin Boo arc makes their portions of the arc the weakest by far.
Goten and Trunks are definitely classic "jumped the shark" characters, which makes sense given that Toriyama was running on empty. However I find the anime versions at least to be entertaining, which may be a combination of the voice acting and the writing.

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:37 pm

their pretty bland characters overall but i don't trust people who don't like gotenks vs super boo.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:34 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:44 pm
Goten and Kid Trunks are some of the blandest characters Toriyama has ever come up with. And the fact they are thrust into the position of protagonist(s) in the Majin Boo arc makes their portions of the arc the weakest by far.
Wholeheartedly disagree.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:00 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:34 pm
Lord Beerus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:44 pm
Goten and Kid Trunks are some of the blandest characters Toriyama has ever come up with. And the fact they are thrust into the position of protagonist(s) in the Majin Boo arc makes their portions of the arc the weakest by far.
Wholeheartedly disagree.
Fair enough. I just think that Goten and Kid Trunks have zero characterisation and it's only they fuse to become Gotenks that any kind of personality is on display. And even then, Gotenks as a character loses it's charm far quicker than I though it would.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Tamagon » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:03 pm

As much as it blows that Gohan lost the protagonist role, the genki-dama in Buu's arc was a surprisingly cool and heartwarming way to end the fight. We get to see Vegeta put more effort into redeeming himself, a big pay-off to Mr. Satan billing himself as "humanity's champion" and we see a lot of the people throughout Dragon Ball's history chip in for one last hurrah. When Toriyama said Gohan was unsuited to the role of protagonist, I feel like this is why. He couldn't have really done something like that since he doesn't have the connections Goku made throughout the manga.

Idk if this qualifies as unpopular though...it seems like a lot of people in the circles I lurk were real bummed that Goku saved the day again. It doesn't sting as much in the manga because it spends way less time building up Gohan than the anime.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:47 am

Tamagon wrote:
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As much as it blows that Gohan lost the protagonist role, the genki-dama in Buu's arc was a surprisingly cool and heartwarming way to end the fight. We get to see Vegeta put more effort into redeeming himself, a big pay-off to Mr. Satan billing himself as "humanity's champion" and we see a lot of the people throughout Dragon Ball's history chip in for one last hurrah. When Toriyama said Gohan was unsuited to the role of protagonist, I feel like this is why. He couldn't have really done something like that since he doesn't have the connections Goku made throughout the manga.

Idk if this qualifies as unpopular though...it seems like a lot of people in the circles I lurk were real bummed that Goku saved the day again. It doesn't sting as much in the manga because it spends way less time building up Gohan than the anime.
i actually agree a ton with this, and it was something i was thinking of the whole time when i watched the early boo arc in the anime. i love gohan as the main character (and in general, he's my favorite character lol), and i do think he would've been a great protagonist, but i just don't think it makes sense narratively for dragon ball to not end with goku as the main hero, he was the center of the story for almost 9 years. the switch just happened too late, and as much as i love the great saiyaman and high school stuff, i do think it sorta hurts the boo arc because of how toriyama spent like, 2 months, introducing all this new stuff only to pretty much wipe it out completely. it does nothing for gohan as a character, and it does even less for the story, and toriyama kept doing it through out the boo arc, which makes it even more frustrating.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:19 am

I like the 2 Star Dragon (the first evil dragon Goku and Pan fight), and I like that the dragons build in intensity.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by sunsetshimmer » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:43 am

ABED wrote:
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I like the 2 Star Dragon (the first evil dragon Goku and Pan fight), and I like that the dragons build in intensity.
He's one of the best dragons in my opinion and his episode is also among my favourite GT episodes.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by supersaiyanZero » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:24 pm

Mystic Gohan is a great term.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:19 pm

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Omniboy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:40 pm

I like the way Moro looks when he's eldery a lot more than when he's young. He looks so much more menacing and mystical when he's old. Another one of my favorite villian designs in this franchise.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Alruneia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:56 pm

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I like the way Moro looks when he's eldery a lot more than when he's young. He looks so much more menacing and mystical when he's old. Another one of my favorite villian designs in this franchise.
From what I've seen, "Old Moro looks better than Young Moro" is actually a pretty popular opinion (I'm also inclined to agree with said opinion but that's beside the point).
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Omniboy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:54 pm

Alruneia wrote:
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From what I've seen, "Old Moro looks better than Young Moro" is actually a pretty popular opinion (I'm also inclined to agree with said opinion but that's beside the point).
Yeah, I should probably look around a bit more before stating opinions as unpopular. I only remember people complaining about how skinny he was, but then again it's a bad thing to base things off memory. Especially when mine's can be terrible :oops:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by PremiumSalt » Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:54 pm

As time has gone on I have grown to like the Kai dub's singular, one off usage of "Son Goku" less and less. The issue I have is that, while it's neat in isolation, it sort of breaks the dub's internal logic. If one were to be going through the series for the first time, in a vacuum, using the dub, and watching Kai for the Z bit, they would have absolutely no clue what "Son Goku" was. Now sure, many viewers, maybe even most, would be able to figure it out pretty quick, but now in trying to figure it out they are distracted from the actual content of the scene, one which is supposed to be this grand, important scene.

And besides, if they really wanted to have a one off use of the name, why not use it in, say, the Boo arc, instead of trying to completely rewrite the way in which Videl figures out Gohan's connection to Goku.
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