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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:34 pm

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Soppa Saia People wrote:I was more talking about Goku's backstory then planet's Vegeta's destruction.
It's Goku's backstory that you consider a bad retcon?
I'll have to reread Raditz's exposition, but I seem to remember that all lot of new stuff kinda retcons it.
What new stuff?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:36 pm

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ABED wrote:It's Goku's backstory that you consider a bad retcon?
I'll have to reread Raditz's exposition, but I seem to remember that all lot of new stuff kinda retcons it.
What new stuff?
Episode of Bardock and Minus for the most part.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:32 pm

Isn't Episode of Bardock an else worlds tale?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:02 pm

ABED wrote:Isn't Episode of Bardock an else worlds tale?
I really don't know what to believe anymore.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:14 pm

The boo arc is the best arc and the Freeza arc is the worst.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Adrian Malacoda » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:43 pm

Soppa Saia People wrote:
ABED wrote:Isn't Episode of Bardock an else worlds tale?
I really don't know what to believe anymore.
Naho Ooshi does refer to it as a "what-if story" in the introduction. However, since Episode of Bardock is a sequel to the Father of Goku special, I don't think it's really relevant to Minus.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:39 pm

I thought the ROF outfits were atrocious.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:58 pm

Bansho64 wrote:I thought the ROF outfits were atrocious.
Yes! I hate Gohan's especially.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Esfír Dedragón » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:39 pm

Out of all the things that came out the Majin Buu arc, the idea of Mystic Gohan/Ultimate Gohan/Potential Unleashed Gohan etc., was THE WORST.

I didn't mind that Gohan got some kind of power-up, but the presentation/appearance of it was so bland and so cheap that I could tell Toriyama probably was at his breaking point of creativity. In terms of power-scaling, I was so confused for many years as to how powerful he was in comparison to fusions and SSJ3 transformations.

Perhaps it would have been better if he looked SLIGHTLY different. Better yet, Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien Shinhan would have benefited in having their potentials unlocked since they don't transform.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Danfun64 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:50 pm

Esfír Dedragón wrote:Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien Shinhan would have benefited in having their potentials unlocked since they don't transform.
Krillin's potential has already been unlocked by the Grand Elder...not that it helped him much...
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Post by Adrian Malacoda » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:18 pm

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Esfír Dedragón wrote:Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien Shinhan would have benefited in having their potentials unlocked since they don't transform.
Krillin's potential has already been unlocked by the Grand Elder...not that it helped him much...
As was Gohan's, yet the Elder Kaioshin was able to further unlock more of his power. Has there ever been any clarification on how the Namek Elder and the Elder Kaioshin's boosts differ? I seem to recall that the Namek Elder's boost simply unlocked up to the user's potential, whereas the Elder Kaioshin's boost actually somehow went beyond that.

edit: According to Daizenshuu 7, as quoted by VegettoEX,
This is a technique that draws out the dormant power that each person has. In The Eldest's case, he only triggers the drawing out of that person's dormant power; if there is no power sleeping inside that person, no change will occur. He is able to use this technique merely by holding his hand over the person's head. In the Elder Kaioshin's case, he is able to draw out a person's dormant power beyond their limits, but this requires him to do a dance, and takes over 20 hours.
So it seems like Kuririn would benefit from the Elder Kaioshin's boost even beyond what he got from the Namek Elder's. Similarly, Tenshinhan and Yamcha would get at least some benefit out of it.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RedShift » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:48 pm

Gohan is (and always was) a useless character and I'm tired of hearing people moan about him. The only times he's been relevant or useful is when he's massively more powerful than whomever he's up against... and he screwed up both of those encounters quite royally. His character is done and needs to be retired. Have him work with Bulma, maybe train passively so he at least retains the power he had against Cell. He has no business being a front-line character anymore.

Besides his warning about the androids and delivering the heart-virus cure.. Future Trunks was also a useless character. He may have gone through a lot in his timeline, but he accomplishes little besides those first two things after the fact. Desroying the androids & Cell in his own timeline isn't exactly impressive when he's massively more powerful than them. His glorification, gary-sue powers, and his unexplained asspull transformation in Super are beyond ridiculous. I swear someone at Toei has a shrine dedicated to him.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:06 pm

Esfír Dedragón wrote:Out of all the things that came out the Majin Buu arc, the idea of Mystic Gohan/Ultimate Gohan/Potential Unleashed Gohan etc., was THE WORST.

I didn't mind that Gohan got some kind of power-up, but the presentation/appearance of it was so bland and so cheap that I could tell Toriyama probably was at his breaking point of creativity. In terms of power-scaling, I was so confused for many years as to how powerful he was in comparison to fusions and SSJ3 transformations.

Perhaps it would have been better if he looked SLIGHTLY different. Better yet, Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien Shinhan would have benefited in having their potentials unlocked since they don't transform.
It wouldn't help them like Gohan because the powers Elder Kaioshin unlocked were what Gohan already had but suppressed due to his docile nature.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:37 pm

Bansho64 wrote:I thought the ROF outfits were atrocious.
Goku's was definitely worse. The one he has now is just too good man!
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:44 pm

Bansho64 wrote:I thought the ROF outfits were atrocious.
Goku's was definitely worse. The one he has now is just too good man! I think it looks better than any of the other outfits including EOZ.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:58 pm

kinisking wrote: Goku's was definitely worse. The one he has now is just too good man! I think it looks better than any of the other outfits including EOZ.
Well, it's nice to see that people enjoy it! :P
Personally I thought it might be cool to see Goku either
this:
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Or this:
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They're some pretty unique looks!

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:09 am

Another unpopular Dragon Ball opinion would be Superman Stalkers always claiming that their boytoy in red and blue would always beat Goku.

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:41 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:Another unpopular Dragon Ball opinion would be Superman Stalkers always claiming that their boytoy in red and blue would always beat Goku.
Supes beats Goku. And that's I have to say about that.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:43 am

Golden Freeza is one of the best things this franchise has ever given us. The color palette consists of very nice shades of yellow, and it blends beautifully with the purple aura. Beyond that, the gold theme showed that Freeza finally overcame his fear of Super Saiyans, and went so far to even mock them about it.
Soppa Saia People wrote:Supes beats Goku. And that's I have to say about that.
Not to turn this into a Superman VS Goku debate, but is there any reason you believe such?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:44 am

Soppa Saia People wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:Another unpopular Dragon Ball opinion would be Superman Stalkers always claiming that their boytoy in red and blue would always beat Goku.
Supes beats Goku. And that's I have to say about that.
I beg to differ, Son Goku is the stronger hero.

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