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When anime did it better than the manga

Post by peter291 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:22 am

Although I am a bigger fan of DB manga than the anime, I must admit that there are various scenes and moments when anime makes a greater impression. I'm not talking only about animation itself but the whole impression that anime gives. Sometimes a single scream can make us to watch the scene over and over again.

Possibly there are fans who consider whole anime series being better than the manga :)

Thinking quickly about few examples:

- Goku's first ssj transformation and x20 kaioken against Freeza.

- Vegeta's Final Flash.

- I'm not a fan of fillers, but I like those showing training before TBs and Saiyans' arrival.

Write your moments of the series, that you think were better presented by the anime.

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Re: When anime did it better than the manga

Post by Saiga » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:25 am

Personally... never. :P There are some manga moments that could use some fleshing out, but the anime always takes it too far.

Kai might strike that delicate balance though, but I wouldn't know as I dropped it really early on.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:27 am

Saiga wrote:Personally... never. :P There are some manga moments that could use some fleshing out, but the anime always takes it too far.
Nuh-uh. Trunks Special... oh, and Vegeta's self-destruction.
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Re: When anime did it better than the manga

Post by Saiga » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:30 am

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Saiga wrote:Personally... never. :P There are some manga moments that could use some fleshing out, but the anime always takes it too far.
Nuh-uh. Trunks Special... oh, and Vegeta's self-destruction.
I don't actually like the Trunks Special.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:32 am

Saiga wrote:I don't actually like the Trunks Special.
Blasphemy. xD
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Re: When anime did it better than the manga

Post by Michsi » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:36 am

I'm not a fan of fillers, but I like those showing training before TBs and Saiyans' arrival

This. I think the Saiyan Saga had it best with the fillers , robots and dinosaurs and all.

Another example, Tenshinhan actually getting to try out the Mafuba.

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Post by Codarik » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:48 am

I believe the anime did better than the manga at everying pre-Namek.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:54 am

In the finale of the Cell Games, when Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan & Yamcha go to help Gohan and remember how Goku & Gohan influenced their lives goes to the top for me.
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Re: When anime did it better than the manga

Post by LiamKav » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:21 pm

I think it normally comes up when people list their favourite filler scenes (and the podcast went over this too), but the humans and Piccolo flying in to help Gohan when he's having his Kamehameha battle with Cell. Gets me every time.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:21 pm

Goku meets Goten For the First Time

In the manga, he just points and says "Eh, that my son?!" but in the anime, you get a heartwarming scene that would drive even the manliest of men to tears

Gohan vs Cell (beam struggle)

In the manga, the Z-Senshi just damn themselves as they watch Gohan struggle but in the anime, they talk about how Goku and Gohan influenced their lives and make an effort to help even though the odds are against them

SSJ2 Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

In the manga, it was just a couple panels of punches and kicks but in the anime, it's a worthy rematch between the two pure-blooded Saiyans
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:04 pm

Fight filler. That's about it. Only with good animation studios though.
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Re: When anime did it better than the manga

Post by CaBrPi » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:17 pm

Vegeta's last stand against Freeza. In the manga, it's just the one big chi blast (the one that Piccolo says could destroy the planet), whereas in the anime, Vegeta gives an impressive (albeit ineffective) display of his new power. I just love the part where Vegeta launches the barrage of chi blasts that Freeza effortlessly dodges, even taking time to smirk at Piccolo, Gohan, and Kuririn when he appears right in front of them.

I'm also going to echo SS2 Goku vs. Majin Vegeta, Gohan's Kamehameha struggle with Cell, and the Saiyan arc training filler.

Also, I'll add the Daimao filler. Even the Super Holy Water filler helped build the tension in that arc. It's easily my favorite part of the whole series.

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Re: When anime did it better than the manga

Post by penguintruth » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:53 pm

Gohan's SSJ2 transformation in the Cell Games.

In the manga it's just kind of sudden and unceremonious. In the anime, it has the benefit of the bird and "Unmei no Hi".
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:10 pm

While I haven't watched the anime in its entirety, I can still pick out a bunch of scenes that I think the anime did better. Well, there's the Bardock and Trunks TV specials, Gokuu's Kaiouken x20, Gokuu and Gohan's first Super Saiyan transformations, extending some battles that really needed extending (like Piccolo vs. Freeza, or SS2 Gokuu vs. Maouji Vegeta), the Saiyan arc training filler, Vegeta's sacrifice, Tenshinhan actually using the Mafuuba against Daimaou, etc.
penguintruth wrote:Gohan's SSJ2 transformation in the Cell Games.

In the manga it's just kind of sudden and unceremonious. In the anime, it has the benefit of the bird and "Unmei no Hi".
I think the fluttering bird was kind of stupid (Android #16 meant nothing to him; it was just the tip over the edge at the climax of seeing all his friends get beaten up by the Cell Juniors), but yeah, Unmei no Hi does really add to the scene. It still gives me chills.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:36 pm

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penguintruth wrote:Gohan's SSJ2 transformation in the Cell Games.

In the manga it's just kind of sudden and unceremonious. In the anime, it has the benefit of the bird and "Unmei no Hi".
I think the fluttering bird was kind of stupid (Android #16 meant nothing to him; it was just the tip over the edge at the climax of seeing all his friends get beaten up by the Cell Juniors), but yeah, Unmei no Hi does really add to the scene. It still gives me chills.
It wasn't just that (he pretty much sees them get brutalized every Saga proceeding), Cell was mentally torturing Gohan the entire fight and his father wasn't there to help him.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: When anime did it better than the manga

Post by penguintruth » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:50 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote: I think the fluttering bird was kind of stupid (Android #16 meant nothing to him; it was just the tip over the edge at the climax of seeing all his friends get beaten up by the Cell Juniors), but yeah, Unmei no Hi does really add to the scene. It still gives me chills.
I see the bird more as being a symbol of Gohan's inner peace being shattered. But I could be reading too much into it.
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Post by Kendamu » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:01 pm

For me, it's pretty much anytime there's amazing music involved and the animation is good. Vegeta's initial attack against Reacoome, Gohan turning Super Saiyan 2, etc. Those are the scenes that make the anime worth at least the occasional look.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:26 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:It wasn't just that (he pretty much sees them get brutalized every Saga proceeding), Cell was mentally torturing Gohan the entire fight and his father wasn't there to help him.
Yeah, I know. It was kind of a package deal.
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Piccolo Daimao wrote:I think the fluttering bird was kind of stupid (Android #16 meant nothing to him; it was just the tip over the edge at the climax of seeing all his friends get beaten up by the Cell Juniors), but yeah, Unmei no Hi does really add to the scene. It still gives me chills.
I see the bird more as being a symbol of Gohan's inner peace being shattered. But I could be reading too much into it.
I never read anything much into the bird, and I don't think it was essential to the scene. Just seeing Gohan's shocked face, as the music kicks in, and then he finally explodes with that epic scream.
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Re: When anime did it better than the manga

Post by Rocketman » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:28 pm

The scene where Kid Buu is stunned that Vegeta refuses to stay down.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:38 pm

Rocketman wrote:The scene where Kid Buu is stunned that Vegeta refuses to stay down.
Could you link me to this scene, please? It doesn't sound that amazing.
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