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There are some manga moments that could use some fleshing out, but the anime always takes it too far.
Nuh-uh. Trunks Special... oh, and Vegeta's self-destruction.Saiga wrote:Personally... never.
I don't actually like the Trunks Special.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Nuh-uh. Trunks Special... oh, and Vegeta's self-destruction.Saiga wrote:Personally... never.
Blasphemy. xDSaiga wrote:I don't actually like the Trunks Special.
I'm not a fan of fillers, but I like those showing training before TBs and Saiyans' arrival
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
I think the fluttering bird was kind of stupid (Android #16 meant nothing to him; it was just the tip over the edge at the climax of seeing all his friends get beaten up by the Cell Juniors), but yeah, Unmei no Hi does really add to the scene. It still gives me chills.penguintruth wrote:Gohan's SSJ2 transformation in the Cell Games.
In the manga it's just kind of sudden and unceremonious. In the anime, it has the benefit of the bird and "Unmei no Hi".
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
It wasn't just that (he pretty much sees them get brutalized every Saga proceeding), Cell was mentally torturing Gohan the entire fight and his father wasn't there to help him.Piccolo Daimao wrote:I think the fluttering bird was kind of stupid (Android #16 meant nothing to him; it was just the tip over the edge at the climax of seeing all his friends get beaten up by the Cell Juniors), but yeah, Unmei no Hi does really add to the scene. It still gives me chills.penguintruth wrote:Gohan's SSJ2 transformation in the Cell Games.
In the manga it's just kind of sudden and unceremonious. In the anime, it has the benefit of the bird and "Unmei no Hi".
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
I see the bird more as being a symbol of Gohan's inner peace being shattered. But I could be reading too much into it.Piccolo Daimao wrote: I think the fluttering bird was kind of stupid (Android #16 meant nothing to him; it was just the tip over the edge at the climax of seeing all his friends get beaten up by the Cell Juniors), but yeah, Unmei no Hi does really add to the scene. It still gives me chills.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
Yeah, I know. It was kind of a package deal.DBZAOTA482 wrote:It wasn't just that (he pretty much sees them get brutalized every Saga proceeding), Cell was mentally torturing Gohan the entire fight and his father wasn't there to help him.
I never read anything much into the bird, and I don't think it was essential to the scene. Just seeing Gohan's shocked face, as the music kicks in, and then he finally explodes with that epic scream.penguintruth wrote:I see the bird more as being a symbol of Gohan's inner peace being shattered. But I could be reading too much into it.Piccolo Daimao wrote:I think the fluttering bird was kind of stupid (Android #16 meant nothing to him; it was just the tip over the edge at the climax of seeing all his friends get beaten up by the Cell Juniors), but yeah, Unmei no Hi does really add to the scene. It still gives me chills.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Could you link me to this scene, please? It doesn't sound that amazing.Rocketman wrote:The scene where Kid Buu is stunned that Vegeta refuses to stay down.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
