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VegettoEX wrote:As per the norm, Julian will pick up the magazine on his way to work this morning (which is our early evening), and we will tag-team the translations of information with multiple news posts in a row where appropriate. All you need to do is stay tuned to the main page here at Kanzenshuu!
Thanks VegettoEX! I can't wait
The Dragonboxes are like a middle aged woman who still looks good through simply taking good care of her skin and body with maybe a tiny bit of makeup while the Orange Bricks are like a middle aged woman who get's 50 tons of botox, makeup and plastic surgery in order to look younger and as a result looks even worse. ~ ringworm128 Still recording Toonami broadcasts on VHS after all these years! #1 Paikuhan fan!
Is it strange that I like the parody poster better? The layout even looks better as a soccer movie poster. (Well, aside from I don't think you're allowed to use your hands against another player in soccer like that, but that's just nit-picking on my part.)
Also, changing Uisu to a referee descending from the heavens is hilarious.
Goku has ssj4 or ssj god
Gohan has mystic
Gotenks has ssj3
Vegeta has ssj2 ? A slap in the face for all Vegeta fans if you ask me (unless Toriyama gives him ssj3 wich i don't see why not cause if he can make up a new form for Goku why not give Vegeta an already established one ?)
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
Chuquita wrote:Vegeta's got ssj3 in a couple videogames (and he had Majin in Buu), so depending on your personal canon that kinda counts?
I would like to see Vegeta get a special power-up, but I feel like every time he gets one he lets his ego overtake his strategy skills.
I know he has it in games but i'm talking about the main manga story wich the movie is part of and from what i understand the Majin seal was to contol him but as we know it failed miserably
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama still sees Vegeta as being too much of an asshole to deserve any special treatment, espicially after the tone of his final panel in Kanzenban volume #34.
"Super Saiyan God" is meaningless, since as it's clearly established Goku is already much more powerful than gods. It's probably just a colorful turn of phrase.
Anyway, if Goku becomes too powerful in this movie, it'll make training Uub seem pretty damn pointless, won't it?
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
Goku has ssj4 or ssj god
Gohan has mystic
Gotenks has ssj3
Vegeta has ssj2 ? A slap in the face for all Vegeta fans if you ask me (unless Toriyama gives him ssj3 wich i don't see why not cause if he can make up a new form for Goku why not give Vegeta an already established one ?)
Gohan's mystic form doesn't seem to count anymore, so it's not like Vegeta fans are the only ones getting a slap in the face.
Besides, Vegeta is the only Z Fighter who has prior knowledge of Bils. He won't be "useless" in the film.
JulieYBM wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama still sees Vegeta as being too much of an asshole to deserve any special treatment, espicially after the tone of his final panel in Kanzenban volume #34.
he made him that way so that shouldn't be any reason not to give him any new form like the other saiyans and what tone are you talking about ?
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
penguintruth wrote:"Super Saiyan God" is meaningless, since as it's clearly established Goku is already much more powerful than gods. It's probably just a colorful turn of phrase.
Anyway, if Goku becomes too powerful in this movie, it'll make training Uub seem pretty damn pointless, won't it?
Good point! I never thought about that.
The Dragonboxes are like a middle aged woman who still looks good through simply taking good care of her skin and body with maybe a tiny bit of makeup while the Orange Bricks are like a middle aged woman who get's 50 tons of botox, makeup and plastic surgery in order to look younger and as a result looks even worse. ~ ringworm128 Still recording Toonami broadcasts on VHS after all these years! #1 Paikuhan fan!
JulieYBM wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama still sees Vegeta as being too much of an asshole to deserve any special treatment, espicially after the tone of his final panel in Kanzenban volume #34.
he made him that way so that shouldn't be any reason not to give him any new form like the other saiyans and what tone are you talking about ?
Vegeta was scowling rather fouly in the final panel of Kanzenban volume #34. Hardly the sort of face he'd have if his relationship with Gokuu had become more of a friendly rivalry.
Goku has ssj4 or ssj god
Gohan has mystic
Gotenks has ssj3
Vegeta has ssj2 ? A slap in the face for all Vegeta fans if you ask me (unless Toriyama gives him ssj3 wich i don't see why not cause if he can make up a new form for Goku why not give Vegeta an already established one ?)
Gohan's mystic form doesn't seem to count anymore
Besides, Vegeta is the only Z Fighter who has prior knowledge of Bils. He won't be "useless" in the film.
we don't know that for sure he could just use ssj first before mystic
if he dosen't get ssj3 he will be in terms of fighting power cause i don't think ssj2 can even scratch Bils
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
JulieYBM wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama still sees Vegeta as being too much of an asshole to deserve any special treatment, espicially after the tone of his final panel in Kanzenban volume #34.
he made him that way so that shouldn't be any reason not to give him any new form like the other saiyans and what tone are you talking about ?
Vegeta was scowling rather fouly in the final panel of Kanzenban volume #34. Hardly the sort of face he'd have if his relationship with Gokuu had become more of a friendly rivalry.
he's like that with his own family
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
So how much will toei suck on Goku this time. Definitely they won't do that as much as in GT. Seems like from what I've seen + the nerfing of Gohan (which may be the SSJ over mystic theory but I doubt it), should be around wrath of dragon level even with toriyama having a part in it.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:So how much will toei suck on Goku this time. Definitely they won't do that as much as in GT. Seems like from what I've seen + the nerfing of Gohan (which may be the SSJ over mystic theory but I doubt it), should be around wrath of dragon level even with toriyama having a part in it.
I take it you don't like Goku and that you're a big fan of Gohan
JulieYBM wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama still sees Vegeta as being too much of an asshole to deserve any special treatment, espicially after the tone of his final panel in Kanzenban volume #34.
he made him that way so that shouldn't be any reason not to give him any new form like the other saiyans and what tone are you talking about ?
Vegeta was scowling rather fouly in the final panel of Kanzenban volume #34.
what is the differences between the kanzenban and normal volumes in terms of story ? cause that Vegeta line wasen't in the normal volumes
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
