Thoughts on DBZ Movie 2

[Kamiccolo9]

Here's the link to M1 http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=24404

So, Movie 2. I liked it. It had a sort of horror B-movie aspect that none of the rest of the series had. Like the first movie, it makes the supporting cast relevant, and the villain is unique and interesting. And the creepy old guy with the gun hand is cool

Thoughts?

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

This movie has an amazing title-card. That is all.

Seriously though, when I watch the DBZ Movies 1 &. 2 Double Feature, I turn out the lights and constantly watch it over and over again. Doesn't help that there's an awesome drumbeat playing in the background.

[Son Edo]

As you said, Uiro is an intriguing villain, one we haven't seen before. I liked the henchmen too and their special abilities.

The more I think about it, Uiro is one of the better movie villains.

[Gonstead]

Definitely one of my most favourite DBZ movies of all time.

[TheGmGoken]

Animation - C. A real downgrade from the last movie. Not bad but could have been better. I didn't really feel the colors like I do in some of the other films. I feel like they spent less time on this movie.

Plot - C+. Urio is a decent villain in my opinion. But as I think of Ginyu. I've seen to many shows counting other countries animation that has the plot of taken someone else body. If it by accident or purpose. But the Bio Warrios was the best little mini plot. They were experiments I believe. Really good IMO. Urio's take on taken Roshi's later Goku's body is different from most. Gohan power raising up was a great thing as well. So decent plot but sadly over-used.

Music - A. Great Music as always. I can say this for any movie. With exception of Funimation Dub music until we get to Meta Cooler which I'll discuss when the time is needed.

Fighting - B-. The fighting with the Bio Warriors was great. Everything was awesome about them. Sadly through the Urio fight didn't live up to my expectations. To me it fell flat. This is my opinion on the fighting. Through the best fight scene was Gohan FAILING with the power pole and Goku using it correctly. Something I wished we saw more of in the manga-anime. This also makes me quite upset as the Urio vs Goku and Piccolo fight was not all that even sadly. With this begins the "Beating the henchmen but the main boss is to much to fight".

Fun Fact: This movie starts the trend of Genki Dami(Officially known as Genki Dama) being used in the next 2 movies.

[Dr. Machismo]

Possibly my favorite DBZ movie. And Ocean Dub ftw

[coola]

Last time ever we see Master Roshi fighting, it was kinda strange seeing him fight evenly with enemies, that forced post Kaio training Goku to use Kaioken. but overall, if you ignore PL inconsistency, good movie, with nice fighting scenes and scenery, but, it got strange plot elements, if Uiro assistant could leave cave to gather Dragon Balls, why did he wait 50 years to do so? I`ve read in Kawaii, Polish anime magazine from July/August 2001 , that this movie was hated the most by fans, for bland scenario.

[Jackal puFF]

I liked this movie more than 1. It was nice seeing Master Roshi in a serious matter again. The first kamehameha trio! I didn't really like the spirit bomb at the end though..

[Gyt Kaliba]

For some reason, I've always really liked this movie. It's almost got a different feel from the rest of the DBZ movies, and I think the almost sci-fi horror vibe it has going is a major part of that. The bio-warriors themselves don't have a lot going for them other than unique designs (barring the obvious Saibamen clones ), but Wheelo himself is a really interesting villain - even if I'm still convinced now that he's basically a port of Mamo from the Lupin the 3rd franchise - and Kochin makes a fun enough right-hand-man for him.

What really makes the movie fun though is the setting. There's a bit of action in ice-covered, snowy mountains, which we hadn't seen since the Mucle Tower material, and then a lot of stuff in a laboratory, which we hadn't had at all before then. And this movie also gives us our last Goku V.S. Piccolo fight, something I've always liked, even if it ends up coming short.

Really there's only two things about this movie that I don't like, and only one of them exists in the original version. Firstly, the Gohan insert song. The one in movie 1 was cutesy too, but it fit a lot better into the film, given the circumstances around it's appearance. With this one though, it just feels shoehorned in IMO, never been a fan of it really. It also played havoc on my young brain when I would play the 'try to put the movies where they'd go in the series!' game, due to the brief shot of Piccolo's sacrifice against Nappa. Gah. Secondly, is the FUNimation re-dub of the film. I love having everything with it's consistent cast now, and for the most part I prefer FUNi's cast over the Ocean one - but there's three roles present in this film that I feel Ocean nailed a lot better. First would be Oolong, who actually sounds close to his Japanese counterpart instead of a chain-smoker; mainly though, it's Wheelo and Kochin. Kochin's Ocean voice actually sounds like a despicable-yet-decrepit old man, something Troy Baker didn't quite manage in the re-dub (and he'd already used the voice for Hoi in movie 13 as it was). And as much as I like R. Bruce Elliot, he just didn't have the same gravitas as the Ocean VA in the role.

I'd probably put this one in my top 5 of the DBZ movies, but I'm not really sure where for sure.

[MCDaveG]

What I loved! Roshi's decent non-drunken appearance and fight, Kaioken bits, Dr. Kochin actually being first Cyborg in DBZ and not being made by RR, the soundtrack with the Makafushigi Adventure bit! Still having that Dragon Ball feel in fights and atmosphere. The next movie is pure DBZ.

[KingofWisdom]

Well, my two word review would be: Disappointing. Unremarkable.
The villains are nothing special, and neither is the action. I like it when Kuririn gets smacked and he makes his, "Why me?!" comment. It's nice seeing Oolong, Roshi, and Bulma. The Mystical Adventure musical cue was great too. Ultimately, the villains bring it down. The Bio-Warriors are forgettable and have no personality, while Kochin and Uiro are stock mad scientists. Piccolo's brainwashing wasn't well-executed.

[MCDaveG]

Well but I still must say that in the realm of Dragon Ball movies, these were probably the last original villains for long time together with Garlic, Bojack, Janemba and Hildegarn.... Not much, more than half are flat out series rip-off (well, Janemba is based on Buu a little).

[KingofWisdom]

I'm all for something new, but it has to be done well. I don't think it was. I'd also argue that copying and pasting a tired trope into the movies isn't any better than having characters like Tullece or Coola.

[90sDBZ]

I think it's a decent movie with some good fight scenes but overall feels a bit tacky and rushed and I like Dead Zone better. I mean did they really HAVE to make Goku vs Wheelo a complete rehash of Goku vs Vegeta? I've noticed Toei seem to have a thing for shirtless Goku. I don't have a problem with it usually but in this movie he just randomly goes shirtless with no explanation. I guess we're just expected to assume his Kaiokenx4 just caused his shirt to disappear into thin air. And the Spirit Bomb felt tacked on. The movie was more like a showcase of all of Goku's techniques rather than a battle.

It's like Toei had a checklist:

-Have Goku use Kaiokenx2
-Have him use Kaiokenx3
-Have him engage in a beam struggle and then resort to Kaoikenx4
-Oh crap we forgot to have him get his shirt ripped off! Oh well let's just make him shirtless and hope nobody questions it
-Have him use spirit bomb

As tacked on as the Spirit Bomb felt in this movie it felt even more tacked on in Lord Slug where Goku had literally already won but still used the Spirit Bomb to finish Slug.

And as others have said the part with Gohan dreaming and singing didn't work in this movie. In Dead Zone they worked his hallucinating and singing into the plot and it was actually pretty funny but in this it just feels annoying. Although it did make me think of this. What if the Canon series is all just one big dream of Gohan's in the movie universe and vice-versa?

[Commander_Red]

Oooh, I know a quote from this one.

"You're crazy if you think I'm gonna let you get your hands on my brain! Forget about it!"

Kochin's laugh in the old ocean dub cracks me up too.

There's a lot of fan service in this movie. Roshi fighting, the little Dragon Ball theme score in that one fight, Goku VS Piccolo, Goku with the Nyoibo....

But. It takes FOREVER to get to the action. So I prefer Dead Zone.

[KingofWisdom]

The song sequence does feel obligatory, after happening two movies in a row (even if it's the second-to-last time it happens). The moment doesn't bother me, it's the song itself. Rather than being cute, it makes me feel embarrassed, especially because of Piccolo and Gohan's questionable relationship.

[Metalwario64]

Genki Dami(Officially known as Genki Dama).

Huh?

[TheGmGoken]

Genki Dami(Officially known as Genki Dama).

Huh?

Sprite Bomb. Genki Dama. Official names. I like to call it Genki Dami

[Pretorious]

What if the Canon series is all just one big dream of Gohan's in the movie universe and vice-versa?

Wow. I love that idea. Also, I never noticed the magic shirt-begone dealie. I will watch for that next time.

I totally agree that the insert song isn't as good as in movie 1, and it was shoehorned. Were they planning on putting an insert song into every movie? I have always wondered this. That could have been cool if it were well-executed.

I would lump this movie in with the good ones, but it's low on my list. The thing that bothers me the most is the music placement. It's so sparse! Does this bother anyone else?

Best part is Master Roshi in action. Also, that shot of Gohan deflecting that blast that I've always thought was an homage to Akira. I love that.

I don't like the end theme though. Nor do I like the montage during the credits, which is just clips from the climax of the movie. It's redundant.

[Son Edo]

Liking these threads, Kamiccolo. Can you start the Movie 3 thread yet?