Vegeta in the Kanzenban ending

[Kid Buu]

In the new ending, Vegeta says something along the lines of "Hmph. I'll definitely beat you one day, Kakarot".

What do you think of this, does it regress his #1 speech in the Kid Buu speech? Or do you just view this as Vegeta always being Goku's rival, even if he admitted he was inferior?

[DBZ Mick]

I don't like it. He was meant to be over this by that point.

[Saiga]

I like it. Vegeta admitted that Goku is better than him, but that doesn't mean that he needs to abandon his rivalry. He's no longer in denial about Goku's superiority, which means that instead of trying to prove he's better, he now works hard so that he actually does become better. His respect for Goku only makes him want to beat him even more.

[KentalSSJ6]

Well if we take BOG into account, Vegeta is definitely getting there. He surpassed SSJ3 Goku for a moment so if he keeps it up they will eventually be equals.

[sintzu]

Vegeta admitting Goku is #1 doesn't mean he's not his rival anymore.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I like it. Vegeta admitted that Goku is better than him, but that doesn't mean that he needs to abandon his rivalry. He's no longer in denial about Goku's superiority, which means that instead of trying to prove he's better, he now works hard so that he actually does become better. His respect for Goku only makes him want to beat him even more.

Exactly what I would say.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

Are we just assuming that wanting to surpass someone in something means they hate them? I'm pretty sure Vegeta got over his hatred for Goku after the Boo arc. Through the whole series Goku is trying to surpass anyone he see's as stronger than him, it doesn't mean he hates everyone

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I like it. Vegeta admitted that Goku is better than him, but that doesn't mean that he needs to abandon his rivalry. He's no longer in denial about Goku's superiority, which means that instead of trying to prove he's better, he now works hard so that he actually does become better. His respect for Goku only makes him want to beat him even more.

Couldn't say it better myself.

[hleV]

I love the ending.

By the way, what Vegeta actually says is:
Vegeta: “I’ll definitely win soon. You’ll see, Kakarot… ”

[Gyt Kaliba]

I like it. Vegeta admitted that Goku is better than him, but that doesn't mean that he needs to abandon his rivalry. He's no longer in denial about Goku's superiority, which means that instead of trying to prove he's better, he now works hard so that he actually does become better. His respect for Goku only makes him want to beat him even more.

I agree 100%. The way I've always looked at it is that Vegeta's mind shifts from wanting to surpass Goku in a very negative way, into a much more positive way. Whereas before he couldn't live with himself if he didn't surpass him, because he just could not respect Goku - now he can see that Goku really is an unstoppable force that he may never actually catch up to. But that sure doesn't mean he's not gonna try; he just isn't going to scream and rant if he doesn't anymore.

[DoomieDoomie911]

I don't like it at all. Vegeta was supposed to be done with trying to beat Goku. That's what his "Number 1" speech was all about.

[DBZfan29]

I know this might not be canonical to some people, but their rivalry seemed still present in the JSAT special. Of course, this happens before the end of Z, but after Vegeta admits Goku is number one. The fact that they went Super Saiyan over some food should be enough to think that while Vegeta knows Goku is better than him, he's still Vegeta and he's still gonna use that Saiyan Pride (just look at how they fight over who fights the aliens).

[Marco Polo]

If you read the first three chapters of DB (where Kinto'un is introduced) and then the old ending, the story seems to have come full circle and all.

If you read the first three chapters and then the Kanzenban ending, you're wondering WTF is this angry guy who's getting the privilege to speak the final words of the series.

[Cold Skin]

It's a great final panel. The N°1 speech was Vegeta finally understanding what Goku has always been all about and what made him the N°1 Saiyan.
As soon as he has understood that, he is on the right track to possibly become one day Goku's equal, and it is shown in Battle of Gods that the evolution of his personnality can even briefly allow him to surpass Goku.

The speech was in no way about giving up against Goku and letting him be N°1, it was about realizing why Goku was always the true N°1 so far and why Vegeta was not on the right track in comparison.

But Son Goku and Vegeta are the two last pure-blooded Saiyans, you can't expect them to ever stop their rivalry because that's part of who they are and that's the core of their relationship. It will always be one of the most important things in life for them, and possibly one of their reasons to live.
Someday, when they feel their time is up, they might even choose to die in an ultimate battle against each other and pass away with a true "Saiyan" death and a smile on their faces, knowing that they'll keep it on forever in the afterlife (if Vegeta is also allowed to have his body, but I'm sure otherwise, Goku would ask them to do it).

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Someday, when they feel their time is up, they might even choose to die in an ultimate battle against each other and pass away with a true "Saiyan" death and a smile on their faces, knowing that they'll keep it on forever in the afterlife (if Vegeta is also allowed to have his body, but I'm sure otherwise, Goku would ask them to do it).

Have you read Dragon Ball Online's timeline (it tells us what happened between the events of the manga & DBO, and it feels like it's written by Toriyama)? Because this is exactly what happens!

[Cold Skin]

Someday, when they feel their time is up, they might even choose to die in an ultimate battle against each other and pass away with a true "Saiyan" death and a smile on their faces, knowing that they'll keep it on forever in the afterlife (if Vegeta is also allowed to have his body, but I'm sure otherwise, Goku would ask them to do it).

Have you read Dragon Ball Online's timeline (it tells us what happened between the events of the manga & DBO, and it feels like it's written by Toriyama)? Because this is exactly what happens!

I haven't seen it, but I'm not gonna lie, I knew about it through other discussions on this forum.

But I never truly think about whether it's canon or not despite the fact that it's been made by Toriyama, so that's why I wrote "they might" do that: everyone is free to consider this Dragon Ball Online timeline's ending as canon or not.
I just leave it undecided as far as I'm concerned, there's "canon to me", "non-canon to me" and "???", and Dragon Ball Online's timeline falls in that "???" category.

[B]

If you read the first three chapters of DB (where Kinto'un is introduced) and then the old ending, the story seems to have come full circle and all.

If you read the first three chapters and then the Kanzenban ending, you're wondering WTF is this angry guy who's getting the privilege to speak the final words of the series.

Yeah, WTF is the second-most popular character in the series who was originally supposed to die?

I say the ending is fine. Vegeta was never going to just give up trying to surpass Goku. The basic idea is that by the end, he's got noteworthy reasons for it beyond showing off his supposed superiority. His expression may not make it obvious, but he's much less of a jackass in the final chapter.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I like it. Vegeta admitted he was number 1, sure, but that doesn't mean he's gonna stop trying to get stronger than Kakarot. He's merely not obsessed and understands why he's been his inferior this whole time.

[TheGmGoken]

I like both endings. THe original one has that it's over feel(Kinto'un). Vegeta ending was good to. Just because Goku is number doesn't mean Vegeta can't be his rival.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I like both endings. THe original one has that it's over feel(Kinto'un).

The original doesn't have Kinto'un.