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Re: Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" Coming To Blu-ray (Updated 12/31

Post by qjz123 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:42 pm

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final_flash wrote: Look how on the level set and Dbox set you can see all 5 spaces inbetween the beems. On the BD (blu ray) set all you can see is 3 spaces.
I can see all 5 lines on the blu ray must be a youtube issue http://imageshack.com/a/img822/6152/3bqa.png.
No, that's a different frame. The screen is flashing between dark and light rapidly. But even on the other two film sources, you can see all of the detail in the "bright" frames. Here it's all washed out. Not to mention that grain artifacting looks ATROCIOUS.
You're right I deleted the post. Edit. proper shot of season blu ray http://imageshack.com/a/img689/302/5teh.png Level sets http://imageshack.com/a/img843/6261/hs2t.png
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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:55 pm

kei17 wrote:From what I've seen, the only instance of extensive grain removal on 16mm film that doesn't bother me at all is the HD remaster of kinescoped early Taiga dramas.
If those are kinescope recordings then wouldn't they have been recordings of videotapes or live TV? If that is the case then the grain removal makes sense because it wasn't part of the image in its original format; also, wouldn't that make an HD kinescope recording transfer essentially an upscale?

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:57 pm

Hm, it's clearly visible that the grain is still there trying to make its way.

They could've smoothed it to make it less obvious couldn't they?
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Post by qjz123 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:00 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Hm, it's clearly visible that the grain is still there trying to make its way.

They could've smoothed it to make it less obvious couldn't they?
I assume they were trying to avoid a blurry look. They were trying to make the set seem sharp at least on the surface to the casual viewer.
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Post by KingofWisdom » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:42 pm

Wow, seeing those animated GIFs, the shaking is making me dizzy.
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Post by TheAldella » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:48 pm

I think I'll be buying it and darkening it on my screen.
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Post by Corpsecreate » Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:26 am

I thought I'd put up a video of "The Death of Raditz" from my filtered version for comparative purposes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tak8uKZQKbA

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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:15 am

I've only casually inspected this set for the most part and don't expect to go super deep into it, but so far I'm not hating it. I'm not absolutely loving it, either, but I'm not about to hurl this into a nearby dumpster or anything.

I'll give more detailed thoughts on it tomorrow.

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Post by final_flash » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:37 am

Here is another shot. Look how on the blu ray set you cant see the little lines through the whole circle like you can on the level, and Dbox sets. Also, the outline of the rocks that touch the circle is missing on the blu ray set as well. I know that it flashes, but these pics are right in sync with each other. There is definitely missing detail.
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Post by TheAldella » Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:50 am

I think instead, I'll try and find the money for the Dragon Boxes and mux the audio from a download of these to them. Sounds like a nice plan, since this probably is coming in at higher quality.
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Post by qjz123 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:50 am

final_flash wrote:Here is another shot. Look how on the blu ray set you cant see the little lines through the whole circle like you can on the level, and Dbox sets. Also, the outline of the rocks that touch the circle is missing on the blu ray set as well. I know that it flashes, but these pics are right in sync with each other. There is definitely missing detail.
We already know detail is missing at this point we're beating a dead horse.
This is what the film scan looked like before Funimation 'remastered' it
Raw film scan
http://imageshack.us/a/img51/9107/2c0h.png
Season 1 blu ray
http://imageshack.us/a/img24/7311/e4z1.png
Raw film scan cropped to 16:9
http://imageshack.us/a/img21/4544/fnhh.png

This release has been heavily Dnr'ed detail loss comes with the territory.
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Post by PhoenixEX » Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:44 am

Those level sets shots man...such perfection. What a damn shame they had to cancel them.
DBoxes...again too pink. And the missing details from the Seasons Sets is enough to turn people off from purchasing them. I need a solid release of the entire series and i'm on a budget, so the Season Sets I have to stick with. If FUNi decides to release the entire series again like the Level Sets once these sets end their run I don't know how i'd feel.
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Post by Haseowolf » Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:48 pm

Corpsecreate wrote:I thought I'd put up a video of "The Death of Raditz" from my filtered version for comparative purposes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tak8uKZQKbA
Always so wonderful looking. T.T Seriously, what has to be done to get these? Do you have scrips for each part of each episode (recap, part 1, eye catches, part 2, preview)?
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Post by KingofWisdom » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:16 pm

Our only hope is that the success of these Season Blu-rays will be enough for a Dragon Box rerelease or a return to the Level remastering. It's a long shot, but if that doesn't do it, then we might be stuck with these widescreen bastardizations... I mean, modernizations.
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Post by Corpsecreate » Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:09 pm

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Corpsecreate wrote:I thought I'd put up a video of "The Death of Raditz" from my filtered version for comparative purposes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tak8uKZQKbA
Always so wonderful looking. T.T Seriously, what has to be done to get these? Do you have scrips for each part of each episode (recap, part 1, eye catches, part 2, preview)?
I used the same script for all episodes. Color correction was done mostly scene by scene and audio sync was done manually for each part.

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Post by Haseowolf » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:29 am

Corpsecreate wrote:
Haseowolf wrote:
Corpsecreate wrote:I thought I'd put up a video of "The Death of Raditz" from my filtered version for comparative purposes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tak8uKZQKbA
Always so wonderful looking. T.T Seriously, what has to be done to get these? Do you have scrips for each part of each episode (recap, part 1, eye catches, part 2, preview)?
I used the same script for all episodes. Color correction was done mostly scene by scene and audio sync was done manually for each part.
The monotonous work of getting the color cast out and then adjusting the hues to be closer to the proper values was probably the part that got to me over time. Did you have a way of expediting the process? Or better yet, have documented values of it all for others to use in their own color correction? You've obviously put in a lot of work and the results are truly astounding.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:19 pm

KingofWisdom wrote:Our only hope is that the success of these Season Blu-rays will be enough for a Dragon Box rerelease or a return to the Level remastering. It's a long shot, but if that doesn't do it, then we might be stuck with these widescreen bastardizations... I mean, modernizations.
- Dragon Box re-release? Maybe in the form of Part sets (budget release).
- Level remastering? Too expensive and time consuming.

If FUNi could give us a 4x3 AR DBZ release then everyone would be satisfied with that.
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Post by Haseowolf » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:29 pm

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KingofWisdom wrote:Our only hope is that the success of these Season Blu-rays will be enough for a Dragon Box rerelease or a return to the Level remastering. It's a long shot, but if that doesn't do it, then we might be stuck with these widescreen bastardizations... I mean, modernizations.
- Dragon Box re-release? Maybe in the form of Part sets (budget release).
- Level remastering? Too expensive and time consuming.

If FUNi could give us a 4x3 AR DBZ release then everyone would be satisfied with that.
I'm not sure what FUNi's contract says what they can and can't do with the Dragon Box stuff, so this may all be moot in light of that.

The Dragon Box releases were nice and spiffy packaging-wise with the box, the booklet, etc. so I can understand why it might be cost-prohibitive to run more of those, but an alternative might be just a repuprposing and running with that. Offer up the discs as seven sets with something like their S.A.V.E. packaging. Do thin packs or whatever with no Dragon Book in a sleeve and just sell that. You have large numbers of episodes per set, quality footage, and something that anyone can grab without paying out the wazoo.

I don't think they make a big deal out of releasing something as a S.A.V.E. edition so since it's a product they already had on the market they could just push it out to stores and call it a day. No muss no fuss.
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Post by KingofWisdom » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:33 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:If FUNi could give us a 4x3 AR DBZ release then everyone would be satisfied with that.
Not counting the Rock the Dragon set, though, FUNimation hasn't released unremastered footage since the Ultimate Uncut Special Editions. I don't know that I'd be satisfied with 4:3 Season Blu-rays, but I guess it'd be something.
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Post by supersaiyan3 » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:18 pm

In light of the artifacts that are on the blu-rays, do you guys think they could have benefited from less aggressive sharpening? Would you be willing to sacrifice some line detail to get rid of those artifacts?

I applied a couple denoising & deblocking filters (hqdn3d & pp7). They do a good job with making the clouds & landscape look better, but you lose some line detail. I'm just wondering, would you guys prefer less artifacts or less detail? I do think this release does a good job with bringing out the lines & borders, but sometimes they look too sharp & you end up with (moving) artifacts around soft objects like clouds.

I should mention, I don't really know what I'm doing here. I just applied the filters at full strength, so somebody with more experience might be able to use some finesse to get the best of both worlds.


(Left is original, right is the fitered version)
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