Beta designs/color schemes in theatrical programs

[SaiyaJedi]

It's not in a theatrical program, but the "Next Movie" page from Daizenshuu 6 has a preview for the 10th Anniversary movie featuring the Red Ribbon characters pre-Toriyama redesign, looking much closer to the way they do in the original manga. They include a white-haired Red and a Black who is still, er... black. Don't have a picture on me, but one should be able to find it somewhere on the Internet.

Scanned it.



We yet don't know the reason why they changed Black's design, but I guess it has to do with this.

I suppose it could have been Toei making up for their earlier blundering, as they had changed the entirely non-offensive Adjutant Black (補佐 / Hosa) from the manga into Staff Officer Black (参謀 / Sanbō) for the anime, all for the sake of a not-so-nice pun. Sure, "Staff Officer" is a more important position, but Black Sambo? They're lucky that pun didn't translate in foreign markets.

[kei17]

Sure, "Staff Officer" is a more important position, but Black Sambo? They're lucky that pun didn't translate in foreign markets.

Wow, I never noticed that pun.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I'm not sure if any of these originated from the theatrical programs, but when they started digitally distributing the first seventeen movies in the lead-up to Battle of Gods, I started seeing a lot of promotional images for the films that I hadn't actually seen before:

I can't be bothered tracking down all of the others, but Peking Duck appears to own a physical version of one of the ones I saw (top-right) and I'm sure he has a few others in his collection.
http://blog-imgs-52-origin.fc2.com/p/e/ ... -24_04.jpg

[Blade]

I totally dig that design, it's just so Toriyama - I even love how it's practically identical to the M2 Robot designs for GT. I'm assuming he forgot about Wheelo when he created those designs...

[kei17]

Found another one.

[Leviathus]

Ooh I love this stuff! Interesting finds kei17!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Great thread.

[Godo]

Found another one.

*snip*

Wow, they forgot to color the upper part of Vegeta's undershirt.

[SSj_Rambo]

Great finds! I did a little dissection of two of these a while back and never noticed that one from movie six. Thanks for the new info!

[Jackal puFF]

So cool seeing stuff like this! I really like Gohan's cape look.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Go crazy, people:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=dr ... m&_sacat=0

[Attitudefan]

I'm really digging the designs from movie 2! I mean, that one shot of Goku and the gang standing in the room whilst it turns read with beams coming out of the floor along with Wheelo's head floating there is beyond epic. Plus, the fight actually looks more interesting with all of the characters working together. Jeez, it would have made the movie so much better!!

Also, the old art style from movie 1 and 2 of DBZ is making me drool. It looks so good.

[Black_Liger]

It's not in a theatrical program, but the "Next Movie" page from Daizenshuu 6 has a preview for the 10th Anniversary movie featuring the Red Ribbon characters pre-Toriyama redesign, looking much closer to the way they do in the original manga. They include a white-haired Red and a Black who is still, er... black. Don't have a picture on me, but one should be able to find it somewhere on the Internet.

Scanned it.



We yet don't know the reason why they changed Black's design, but I guess it has to do with this.

Damn Red looks like a dwarf Big Boss XD

[Cold Skin]

Great thread!

I noticed this for the first time because the Anime Comics from Movie 5 has been released in France and uses the official poster as the main cover this time: the official poster for Movie 5 shows the "Beta" red-eyed Super Saiyan.

[SSj_Rambo]

I believe I found a similar case from Weekly Shonen Jump #31 of 1992 which had a fold out poster (this is from the back side). It's a frame from DBZ movie 8 and shows Broli's hair mis-colored (and I actually can't remember seeing this exact angle of this scene in the actual film). Thought it was worth adding.

[Jackal puFF]

Nice! Super Saiyan doesn't look so bad with blue hair!

[Tyro]

I believe I found a similar case from Weekly Shonen Jump #31 of 1992 which had a fold out poster (this is from the back side). It's a frame from DBZ movie 8 and shows Broli's hair mis-colored (and I actually can't remember seeing this exact angle of this scene in the actual film). Thought it was worth adding.

It looks like every image from 1992 WSJ that you posted in another thread didn't end up in the movie. Link.

[SSj_Rambo]

It is! After I posted that full scan I looked a little closer and noticed Broli's hair. Here are the other movie stills from that scan:

[Cold Skin]

I don't really grasp the extent of those beta pictures of all movies.

It really looks like those were taken from scenes that were more or less finished, animated, colorized and all.
But with so many pictures all across the storyline of those various movies, it would feel like a good half of each movie actually has fully completed and animated scenes that are later scrapped and replaced with completely different drawings, and that seems too extreme to be true for the non-expert that I am!

Is it rather possible that all those beta screenshots are actually nothing more but that specific still shot picture made specifically to promote the movie, with the anime staff creating one still image to show "what a scene will probably look like", similarly to when they drew those one-shot still pictures to make anime versions of the manga illustrations?

Cause I just can't believe that they would scrap such a huge quantity of animated shots, backgrounds, camera angles, etc., that they'd have drawn, colorized and animated for days.
I would rather imagine that they more or less want to know exactly what shots and backgrounds and camera angles they want BEFORE asking the staff to fully draw, colorize and animate anything like this, and that "deleted" fully-animated material is ultimately just a handful of exceptional shots in a whole movie.

Because when you see screenshots like the Broly ones, it would almost make you believe that almost all of the movie was done differently than what we see in the final product and then erased to be remade, but that's crazy! I'd be more inclined to buy that those were one-shot promotionnal image of the staff showing "this is basically a picture showing what it should look like right at the middle of a scene once we start animating it for good".

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Easily one of the most interesting threads I've seen on Kanzenshuu in a long time. Lots of pretty pictures too.

It's amazing to think how much old stuff might still be out there, that we don't know about yet. The Kanzenshuu staff are either crying inside or shaking with excitement at the prospect of so information...reminds me of the end to Battle of Gods.

Anyway, these aren't from any of the theatrical programs, but I thought it might be worth linking this old thread I made, anyway. In it, I posted one of the previews for DBZ Movie 10 that had an extremely short deleted scene of Broly laughing. Not particularly interesting, but I suppose it's worth mentioning.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... &t=15809&p