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If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:07 pm

If you could change anything about the previous villains, be they from the manga, anime, games, or movies, what would you alter?

Personality? Appearance? Story? Attacks? Abilities?
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:21 pm

I'd alter the Dragons from GT to live up to how cool their premise is. Can't think of exactly how I'd go about it, but it's the first thing that comes to mind.

Beyond that...this might count more as 'plot' changing, but I've been thinking on it for a long while now, and I honestly think movie 6 would have worked better without Cooler at all. Just use the Gete Star as a Unicron-type villain and being and have everyone fight that.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:23 pm

Tao Pai Pai
Personality - More sneaky. More like an Assassin. Wait for his chance to attack. Not as coward like.
Appearance - Give him some form of mask(that can hide his mouth or head).
Story - Same. Does jobs like he done in series
Attacks - Same
Abilities - More speed. Something like Goku could't see him move in the first round or something like that. Attack pressure points. And lastly can counter 4 people at the same time.

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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:25 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'd alter the Dragons from GT to live up to how cool their premise is. Can't think of exactly how I'd go about it, but it's the first thing that comes to mind.

Beyond that...this might count more as 'plot' changing, but I've been thinking on it for a long while now, and I honestly think movie 6 would have worked better without Cooler at all. Just use the Gete Star as a Unicron-type villain and being and have everyone fight that.
Maybe have the Star's robots function like Metal Cooler did, but now able to take the appearance of those it fights, forcing the Z Fighters to fight copies of themselves and of each other.

I could see Vegeta having a grand old time blowing up Goku shaped robots.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:29 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Maybe have the Star's robots function like Metal Cooler did, but now able to take the appearance of those it fights, forcing the Z Fighters to fight copies of themselves and of each other.

I could see Vegeta having a grand old time blowing up Goku shaped robots.
That could be pretty fun if done right, yeah. :lol: And it's not that I dislike movie 6 really. There's a lot there that I love. But every time I watch it now, it just feels like Cooler himself is an almost unwelcome intrusion, awesome Nakao being awesome aside.

No matter what, the chop-em-up robot has to stay. He just does.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:56 pm

I would have Raditz leave a bigger impact. Having the main protagonist's brother show up and die, and never have him mentioned again seems like I waste of a potentially interesting character to me.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:00 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I would have Raditz leave a bigger impact. Having the main protagonist brother show up and die, and never have him mentioned again seems like I waste of a potentially interesting character to me.
I guess you could say Raditz was meant to be a prelude to a bigger threat from the start. Maybe if Raditz and Nappa's roles and strengths were switched and it was Raditz that killed the majority of the Z fighters, hed have had a bigger impact on top of already being Goku's brother.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:04 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:I would have Raditz leave a bigger impact. Having the main protagonist brother show up and die, and never have him mentioned again seems like I waste of a potentially interesting character to me.
I guess you could say Raditz was meant to be a prelude to a bigger threat from the start. Maybe if Raditz and Nappa's roles and strengths were switched and it was Raditz that killed the majority of the Z fighters, hed have had a bigger impact on top of already being Goku's brother.
Hell they could have made Raditz appear in the "Father of Goku". But nope. No love for Raditz. Even Vegeta appeared........

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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:06 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:I would have Raditz leave a bigger impact. Having the main protagonist brother show up and die, and never have him mentioned again seems like I waste of a potentially interesting character to me.
I guess you could say Raditz was meant to be a prelude to a bigger threat from the start. Maybe if Raditz and Nappa's roles and strengths were switched and it was Raditz that killed the majority of the Z fighters, hed have had a bigger impact on top of already being Goku's brother.
Hell they could have made Raditz appear in the "Father of Goku". But nope. No love for Raditz. Even Vegeta appeared........
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by InfernalVegito » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:31 pm

I would have definitely kept Radditz. He's mentioned to be the protagonist's brother and then immediately killed off as if the aforementioned statement was completely pointless.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by Ringworm128 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:38 pm

As I've said before I would give Yi Xing/Omega Shenlong a personality.

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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by Z-Dragon » Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:34 pm

I would alter Movie 11 to replace Bio-Broly with the mutant bio-warrior who fights Goten, Trunks, Krillin, and 18, so Bio-Broly never existed since Broly was killed by the sun.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:Beyond that...this might count more as 'plot' changing, but I've been thinking on it for a long while now, and I honestly think movie 6 would have worked better without Cooler at all. Just use the Gete Star as a Unicron-type villain and being and have everyone fight that.
I'm not the only one who think that Movie 6 should have Gete with its AI as the villian which would be better than having Cooler again for no reason since he was completely destroyed by the sun with Goku's Kamehameha.

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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by Hearts » Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:46 pm

I would make Super Buu more like the Buu from Dragon Ball Multiverse, I dont mean strength wise, i mean personality wise

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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:31 am

Hearts wrote:I would make Super Buu more like the Buu from Dragon Ball Multiverse, I dont mean strength wise, i mean personality wise
They seem pretty much the same to me....

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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:06 am

I'd probably remove Freeza's ability to control his ki, to give his transformations more of a point. I might even remove his 2nd and 3rd forms to improve the pacing of his battle. And I wouldn't have his power level scale so damn high (which means also changing the Kaio-ken and Super Saiyan scaling, which I'm happy with).

Imperfect Cell - if I didn't remove his transformations entirely (which I'd like to - his first form is easily his best) I'd make his second form last much longer, and achieve more. I dislike how it was immediately turned into a joke and he had to reach his Perfect form soon after. The only thing he accomplished was blowing off part of 16's head. So I'd have him beat 16 in his first form, then lose to Vegeta, and then absorb 17, beat Vegeta and Trunks, etc. I'd also cut the Cell Games stuff and make Perfect Cell less of an idiot. No Super Perfect form, either. Hmm... I don't know how that'd all actually work after Trunks is defeated, though.

Boo - I'd remove the Kaioshin absorption from Boo's backstory, and Fat Boo would be the original Boo. I don't like that we don't see the "real" Boo until the tail end of the arc, and that his strength isn't such a big deal by that point. It feels as though a lot of Boo's character and strength comes from the Kaioshin instead of himself, which I don't think is a very good thing for the villain.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:32 am

I would give Broli more dialog, and make Raditz more relevant. I would also make the weak Evil Dragons stronger so that we could see SS, SS2, and SS3, but also base & SS4, in action.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by TheRed259 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:57 am

I would definitely change Majin Buu. I would like him to be more serious (outside & inside), evil looking (outside-like Super Buu with Gohan absorbed) and more demonic (inside). I can't stand the fact that the Prince Vegeta sacrificed himself because of a fat & idiot balloon that becomes a good guy at the end.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:40 pm

Make Lord Slug not be weak to whistling. That's just lame.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:01 pm

I'd remove Majin Boo's absorption abilities and I'd have Semi-Perfect Cell stay longer. Like-wise, I'd make his fight with Vegeta less one-sided though the latter would still have the advantage.
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Re: If You Could Change The Previous Villains.

Post by Attitudefan » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:52 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I would have Raditz leave a bigger impact. Having the main protagonist brother show up and die, and never have him mentioned again seems like I waste of a potentially interesting character to me.
I guess you could say Raditz was meant to be a prelude to a bigger threat from the start. Maybe if Raditz and Nappa's roles and strengths were switched and it was Raditz that killed the majority of the Z fighters, hed have had a bigger impact on top of already being Goku's brother.
That is so cliche it hurts. In a way, I am glad they killed off Raditz right off the bat. It added some great shock value for what was to come.
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