Manga Inconsistencies and Plotholes.

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Manga Inconsistencies and Plotholes.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:45 pm

Figured i'd make a thread where people can point out and discuss any and all inconsistencies and plotholes in the manga. Fire away people.
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Re: Manga Inconsistency's and Plotholes.

Post by VegettoEX » Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:06 pm

Do you have a question about them? Any in particular you're curious about? Do you not know any and would like people to share them with you?

Just trying to figure out what the point of the thread is / what your goal is in creating it. Want to make sure the conversation serves its purpose in the best way it can!
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Re: Manga Inconsistency's and Plotholes.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:10 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Do you have a question about them? Any in particular you're curious about? Do you not know any and would like people to share them with you?

Just trying to figure out what the point of the thread is / what your goal is in creating it. Want to make sure the conversation serves its purpose in the best way it can!
Basically I'm just trying to gather up information. For example someone may know a part of the manga that may contradict another part of the manga and such.
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Re: Manga Inconsistency's and Plotholes.

Post by thatdbzguy » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:41 pm

Gohan's out-of characterness in the Cell Games, Trunks telling Goku that the Androids from his future were Androids 19 and 20, then later saying they were 17 and 18, etc.

Although I really don't see the point in picking out all of the flaws in DBZ, unless Toriyama plans to re-write it while listening to fan feedback. It's already a poorly written story, so going deeper to find more faults just seems like beating a dead horse to me.
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Re: Manga Inconsistency's and Plotholes.

Post by Landcross » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:55 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:It's already a poorly written story, so going deeper to find more faults just seems like beating a dead horse to me.
Why do you bother posting about something you hate? I'm completely serious when I ask this. It'd be like me registering on a One Direction forum.

As for plot holes, Toriyama admitted that he would forget what he wrote shortly after, and was always looking ahead. I think it's completely obvious he started the Androids stuff right after he saw Terminator 2, in fact.

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Re: Manga Inconsistency's and Plotholes.

Post by thatdbzguy » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:10 am

Landcross wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:It's already a poorly written story, so going deeper to find more faults just seems like beating a dead horse to me.
Why do you bother posting about something you hate? I'm completely serious when I ask this. It'd be like me registering on a One Direction forum.

As for plot holes, Toriyama admitted that he would forget what he wrote shortly after, and was always looking ahead. I think it's completely obvious he started the Androids stuff right after he saw Terminator 2, in fact.
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Re: Manga Inconsistency's and Plotholes.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:18 am

thatdbzguy wrote:
Landcross wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:It's already a poorly written story, so going deeper to find more faults just seems like beating a dead horse to me.
Why do you bother posting about something you hate? I'm completely serious when I ask this. It'd be like me registering on a One Direction forum.

As for plot holes, Toriyama admitted that he would forget what he wrote shortly after, and was always looking ahead. I think it's completely obvious he started the Androids stuff right after he saw Terminator 2, in fact.
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I'm going to be blunt here. If all your going to do on my thread is mope about various things in your life, i'd rather you not make a post at all. Nearly everyone knows you feel ashamed and/or upset that you like DBZ but thats no excuse to keep proclaiming it over the various threads of this forum.
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Re: Manga Inconsistency's and Plotholes.

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:22 am

I remember Cell said that he cannot regenerate if a certain part of his body is damaged and yet he regenerate after he blew himself up.
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:24 am

I don't think thatdbzguy is being negative at all. It just seems like hes accepted the flaws of the series and sitting here pointing them out isn't going to change anything.
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Re: Manga Inconsistency's and Plotholes.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:27 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:I remember Cell said that he cannot regenerate if a certain part of his body is damaged and yet he regenerate after he blew himself up.
There is that. He specifically points to his head and states as long as his nucleus is intact he can regenerate from anything, only to have his entire upper half, along with his head, blown into nothingness by Goku's Shunkan Ido Kamehameha. So, unless Cell can move that nucleus to his crotch, id consider that a plothole.
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:30 am

Zarbon tells Vegeta that Freeza feared the Saiyans ganging upon him, but later its Freeza fears SSJ.
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Post by Cipher » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:36 am

A rather minor one:

At the end of the Namek arc, the Earth Shen-Long teleports everyone from Namek to Earth, seemingly without anyone knowing what's happening (or at least they're very surprised to realize they've been zapped to Earth). Later, the gang asks Porunga to teleport Goku to Earth, and he's able to refuse, preventing Porunga from doing it. That sudden clause of, "Hey, only if they say it's okay!" doesn't really fit anything the Dragon Balls have done before, including within the same story line.

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Re: Manga Inconsistencies and Plotholes.

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:42 am

Cipher wrote:A rather minor one:

At the end of the Namek arc, the Earth Shen-Long teleports everyone from Namek to Earth, seemingly without anyone knowing what's happening (or at least they're very surprised to realize they've been zapped to Earth). Later, the gang asks Porunga to teleport Goku to Earth, and he's able to refuse, preventing Porunga from doing it. That sudden clause of, "Hey, only if they say it's okay!" doesn't really fit anything the Dragon Balls have done before, including within the same story line.
Its possible but unlikely that Goku knew that they will use Shenlong/Porounga and told King Emma through King Kai not to allow them. Seems stupid.

@Kid Buu I thought Freeza fear was that Saiyans was getting stronger and prehaps a "ssj" will emerge and lead a rebellion

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Post by WittyUsername » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:57 am

Here's a plot hole that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet, the moon somehow got destroyed twice.

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Re: Manga Inconsistencies and Plotholes.

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:09 am

WittyUsername wrote:Here's a plot hole that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet, the moon somehow got destroyed twice.
Huh? Kami restored the moon. Piccolo destroyed it again. Roshi destroyed it the first time.

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Post by SSJ3_Zack » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:11 am

WittyUsername wrote:Here's a plot hole that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned yet, the moon somehow got destroyed twice.
Didn't Kami bring the moon back after he removed Son Goku's tail?

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Post by WittyUsername » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:12 am

Damn, I forgot about that.

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Post by Z-Dragon » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:25 am

I found a plothole about Piccolo's super-hearing ability. Remember Dr. Gero got Piccolo off guard from behind by absorbing some energy from Piccolo with his hand on his mouth? He did talked out of his mouth instead of talking inside his head before sneaking out to Piccolo to absorb him in off-guard, but why didn't Piccolo hear something like words from Dr. Gero or any sound from behind? He did hear those words from Goku and Future Trunks there, if he can hear whatever with his super-hearing ability then he should've heard something from Dr. Gero behind and turn back to fight him.

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Re: Manga Inconsistencies and Plotholes.

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:33 am

In the Saiyan arc, Vegeta states that he's the strongest in the universe. The Freeza arc retcons in a bunch of guys way stronger than him that Vegeta knows about.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:37 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:In the Saiyan arc, Vegeta states that he's the strongest in the universe. The Freeza arc retcons in a bunch of guys way stronger than him that Vegeta knows about.
Can't that be passed on as cocky-ness. Freeza said the same thing yet Freeza knew Beerus

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