The Newest Batch of Toriyama Tidbits...

[Saiga]

If he thought Cell was a guy in a bug costume, he wouldn't have fought him according to Toriyama's new info. He doesn't know Cell's identity, fought him, 100% contradictory to what Toriyama said.

[Patrick]

Perhaps he thought he had Cell all figured out? I mean granted even with the false bravado of a thousand men, I wouldn't want to take on a 7-foot tall bug monster thing. Cell is my favorite character too. Still, maybe he just wasn't intimidated by him as much as his previous foes?

With that said, I apologize for the stupid question, but where do you guys see stuff like #17 & #18's real names, and that Gero modeled #16 after his deceased son? It's not in that Q&A in the first post.

[MagicBox]

With that said, I apologize for the stupid question, but where do you guys see stuff like #17 & #18's real names, and that Gero modeled #16 after his deceased son? It's not in that Q&A in the first post.

The bit about #16 was from a different Q&A session (also translated on the main site), while the info about #17 and #18 are from a recent Q&A that I assume the site staff are hard at work on.

Not a stupid question at all.

[Herms]

Perhaps he thought he had Cell all figured out?

I assume that's it. He thought Cell was just some amateur fighter using tricks to look like he had super powers, so he was confident in taking him on. Then when he realized that Cell and Goku et al had actual super powers, he did all he could to avoid fighting them (while still talking tough in front of the cameras). His principle is still avoiding fights with people whose "true nature" he doesn't know...he's just real bad about recognizing when he does or doesn't have somebody's true nature figured out.

[Hellspawn28]

The info with #17 does not bother me. If #18 can move on and have a nice life, why can't #17? I remember fans believe that #17 was never that evil to begin with. He did got wish back other wise he would be dead for good.

[TheGmGoken]

The info with #17 does not bother me. If #18 can move on and have a nice life, why can't #17? I remember fans believe that #17 was never that evil to begin with. He did got wish back other wise he would be dead for good.

I always thought 17 was a park ranger so this doesn't affect me.

[Insertclevername]

While not the most offensive bit of info, the tidbit about #17 "marrying a zoologist with 2 adopted sons" perfectly encapsulates the ridiculousness in the idea of having new information. I mean, what else am I going to read, what car insurance he has? Most of this either shrinks the Dragon world considerably or ruins an otherwise neat mystery. I've said this before in a different thread but I feel this needs reiterating: One of Dragon Ball's greatest strengths comes in it's mysticism. It's a pulpy action series that doesn't explore too deeply into it's characters and worlds unlike other "higher brow" fiction; therefor it's only natural there will be lots of unexplained or implied information concerning characters, events, the world, etc. Being vague plays in it's favor as it makes the world seem vast, mysterious and most of all, interesting! Over explaining a series with not a lot of depth to begin will ultimately deprive it of one it's precious assets; it's charm. This combined with the recent influx of contradicting explanations and retellings makes me cautious as a fan. I'm sure many of us have wished Toriyama would get back into Dragon Ball, especially after the (generally agreed) disappointment of Dragon Ball GT, but who could have guessed it could result in this? While BoG and (so I've been told) Jaco have been excellent, it seems to me that Toriyama can still help progress the series forward in the right way, as long as there is an actual incentive to tell a story.

[Hellspawn28]

I wonder what it would been like if this info came out back in 2004, 10 years ago. Would people have mixed feelings for it like most of us are right now or like it better back then?

[Travis Touchdown]

I actually can't wait to hear Toriyama's explanation for why Future 17 & 18 are evil destructive pricks while the present time 17 & 18 are fun loving but caring family people who are wholly good.

[some_weirdGuy]

I actually can't wait to hear Toriyama's explanation for why Future 17 & 18 are evil destructive pricks while the present time 17 & 18 are fun loving but caring family people who are wholly good.

"Beerus did it"


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I gotta agree with the sentiments about this stuff generally being pretty dumb. It really is just pulled from his butt on the spot from the sounds of it, it would be cool if it wasn't contradictory or extraneous seeming, but I think my general response to these could be summed up with 'interesting... but no'.

you know, ignoring the contradictions, for some reason I feel these titbits would have far more meaning if they had some illustrations to go with them, light-hearted or even emotional 'snapshots'. For instance showing us 17's new family looking happy, show us a young Mr Satan at the dojo with his master(or tearfully reaching towards his slain friend), show us vegeta lounging out watching commercials, or to use that one about 16, show us a shot of gero tirelessly tinkering at his workbench, a photo of this lost son who inspired 16's appearance resting nearby...
I don't know, anyone else feel the same way? Giving faces to this new people or provide a still-life glimpse into the scene which epitomes the corresponding info would give them more 'weight' I feel, though I realise these are just meant as quick/easy Q & A interviews...

[Blade]

"Beerus did it"

I've just acquired a new forum signature

[Saiga]

"Beerus did it" could easily make be possible if we were talking the first draft version of Beerus.

Which would make it more consistent than a lot of the other answers...

[Blade]

"Beerus did it" could easily make be possible if we were talking the first draft version of Beerus.

Which would make it more consistent than a lot of the other answers...

It was kinda fun and cool when we got little tie-in explanations to begin with - such as why King Kai's planet was so small, but now every needless interjection of Beerus into Dragon-Universe law feels increasingly ham-fisted and just... not necessary.

I mean, what's next? Karin lives in a tower because Beerus got Cat-envy and decided to stick him up a great height, knowing how much cats dislike them? Or Beerus accidentally caused the natural disaster on Namek by destroying a nearby star system? Or Freeza didn't actually blow up planet Vegeta, he planned to - but Beerus ninja'ed him at the last second and did it himself?

Place your bets now!

[Mr.Judge]

In DB chapter 159 he pretty much admits that he isn't human. This is the conversation between Goku and Piccolo Daimao:

Piccolo: "It.. it can't be! A human being capable of resisting Piccolo shouldn't exist."
Goku: "Heh heh! I have a tail so I guess I'm not human."

...cannot be taken as 100% confirmation.

Also Db Earth has various beings like Piccolo Daimaō (he was not an alien then), talking Creatures, King who is a Dog etc.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If he thought Cell was a guy in a bug costume, he wouldn't have fought him according to Toriyama's new info. He doesn't know Cell's identity, fought him, 100% contradictory to what Toriyama said.

No, he knew he was a guy named Cell that was using tricks to scare everyone, so he was weak if he had to rely on tricks.

[Saiga]

Still doesn't know his identity, still contradictory.

His name alone is not his identity. He knows jack fuck about Cell and doesn't care.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Still doesn't know his identity, still contradictory.

His name alone is not his identity. He knows jack fuck about Cell and doesn't care.

He knows his name, he knows that he isn't a real fighter, and he knows that he uses tricks to deceive everyone.

[Low Tone G]

Still doesn't know his identity, still contradictory.

His name alone is not his identity. He knows jack fuck about Cell and doesn't care.

As seeing you are debating about Mr. Satan's decision to fight completely unknown fighters, I'm just realising that I am personally the single(among others who didn't comment to this tread) who sees Mr. Satan's character well and Toriyama's intention to introduce it. I think the case is very simple! His introduction had the purpose as in the world of Dragon Ball to be a martial artist who doesn't possess any super-human strength, but very strong himself, to pull us back to the everydays' ground. So he was just like any of us who isn't able to believe in such strengths and especially on power full of scintillating, but in physical strength aka in his own fist. So being overconfident agaist Cell isn't surprising even if he was careful with unknown foes. He had the right to belive that Cell wasn't any special without his tricks, and he was really strong among ordinary humans, this was told by Toriyama also.

[Gonstead]

"Beerus did it" could easily make be possible if we were talking the first draft version of Beerus.

Which would make it more consistent than a lot of the other answers...

It was kinda fun and cool when we got little tie-in explanations to begin with - such as why King Kai's planet was so small, but now every needless interjection of Beerus into Dragon-Universe law feels increasingly ham-fisted and just... not necessary.

I mean, what's next? Karin lives in a tower because Beerus got Cat-envy and decided to stick him up a great height, knowing how much cats dislike them? Or Beerus accidentally caused the natural disaster on Namek by destroying a nearby star system? Or Freeza didn't actually blow up planet Vegeta, he planned to - but Beerus ninja'ed him at the last second and did it himself?

Place your bets now!

I'll gladly add these to my own personal canon XD

[Sin]

I agree with others in that I'm not too sure what the point of some of these reveals is meant to be. However what has been revealed so far really doesn't bother me, or altered my view of the characters/series so far (other than the #16 being modelled after Gero's deceased son fact), I just think this new information is a bit of fun and after all these years why can't there be a bit of extra information thrown out?