Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Mystic Tien]

SSJ4 doesn't make any sense. How do you go through blonde and spiky hair to pinky fur and black hair? Goku is a kid and when he tranforms to SSJ4 he's an adult.

It actually makes a lot of sense, because saiyans are supposed to be monkeys, not some blonde guys. If anything, SSJ1-SSJ3 don't make any sense, because having your hair becoming blond and becoming longer in SSJ3 has nothing to do with Oozaru transformations and original concept of saiyans.

But getting pink fur and pants is. I bet there was a legend about a pink Oozaru wearing pants rampaging on planet Vegeta.

This one doesn't. But the whole concept with Golden Oozaru, fur and requirement of having tail to transform does.

[fexus]

So, getting spikier hair and lightning is a change but getting a skinnier body, different iris, fire aura and red hair is a colour swap.

Which one of these will look distinct in black&white manga format? There's no problem recognizing teen Gohan in SSJ1 and SSJ2 forms. Wanna try SSJG Goku?

Getting a skinnier body and a fire aura around you would look pretty distinct in black and white. Even the change of eyes would make a big difference as there are people that somehow notice the difference between Mystic Gohan and normal Gohan. But this is all useless because this isn't a manga. It's a movie. The only one where SSJ2 looks distinctly different is with Gohan when he was fighting Cell.

[Blade]

So, getting spikier hair and lightning is a change but getting a skinnier body, different iris, fire aura and red hair is a colour swap.

Which one of these will look distinct in black&white manga format? There's no problem recognizing teen Gohan in SSJ1 and SSJ2 forms. Wanna try SSJG Goku?

Sorry but what the hell does that have to do with anything? There is no Manga anymore and never will be. Pointless argument.

*Ahem* And Jaco? Who saw that coming? Anyone? Really?

Basically, never write off Toriyama's ability to throw a curve-ball, and be equally as predictably unpredictable as he is downright predictable. The man is consistently inconsistent.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

So, getting spikier hair and lightning is a change but getting a skinnier body, different iris, fire aura and red hair is a colour swap.

Which one of these will look distinct in black&white manga format? There's no problem recognizing teen Gohan in SSJ1 and SSJ2 forms. Wanna try SSJG Goku?

SSJG had thought put into it

"How do I replace color in Photohop?". Pinnacle of creative process

Fiery Aura and slimmer body distinguishes it.

The Animators could barely tell SSJ1 & 2 apart.

[dbzfan7]

Transformations will always be viewed differently by everyone. For me personally I don't like SSJ God and think it doesn't deserve to be called a Super Saiyan form, but also don't even call the Blue SSJ a true form since to me it's not a form. Blue SSJ is just Goku going Super Saiyan like usual, but his god ki affected the form. So to me it's not lazy cause it's not really a new form. Feels more like a state to me. Still doesn't seem that cool though.

For me a transformation should be something that changes someone enough that they are a lot harder to recognize. I like to take the whole scene from the beginning of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai as a reference. If Goku wasn't wearing that turban on his head, then his friends would easily know that this stranger was Goku. If SSJ God Goku was on sight, they'd know it's Goku just by looking at him. If SSJ Goku or any of his forms appeared, no one would recognize Goku. Hell in Battle of Gods no one could tell the difference on first glance of SSJ God.

But that's my opinion. Some people hate too much flash. Some people like overly simple. Some people like simple, with some changes, etc.

[SSJGBGoku]

Yes . Only difference between SSJ1 and SSJ2 I saw was that hairs were straight or one hair in front and some lightning around them.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Even if you don't like it, there's a DESIGN in it. Effort and creeativity was poured into it, even if you consider final result not good. SSJG has no design. Changing color in Photoshop is not designing. The backstory is weak as well and Blue SSJ is introduced even worse.

SSJGod doesnt even have its own original backstory, its entire concept was just a mash up of the show's own cliches into one form. No effort whatsoever.

Dude, Toriyama's ALWAYS gone for simple designs in power ups. Super Saiyan is a dye job and a new hair cut, SSJ2 is lightning effects, SSJ3 is really long hair. Just because it's not a big change doesn't mean there was no effort put into it

A new hair cut is still a change. Its completely different from the base hair style and its just a visual metaphor for rage. Done. Simple thought but its there. SSJ3 is very distinct in comparison to the other forms as well. Really long hair, a slimmer face and protruding brow is still a noticable change.

SSJGod on the other hand doesnt even have its own original backstory, its entire concept was just a mash up of the show's own cliches into one form. No effort whatsoever.

Do you know what I like about SSJ4? The fact that they got pink fur and suddenly got pants. I love that. Just thinking about how they must have grown the pants using their own hair is just amazing.

Sarcastic or not, I honestly really hate when people in general have to look for reasons to hate on SSJ4 that don't mean anything beyond reaching for something to nitpick.
"Oh, hez gaht pahntz nao; owt uv no-whair! dat maeks noo sense!!!!!!!!!!" Its like people who say that would rather see him fight naked, and a child with a hairy mane.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Which one of these will look distinct in black&white manga format? There's no problem recognizing teen Gohan in SSJ1 and SSJ2 forms. Wanna try SSJG Goku?

Sorry but what the hell does that have to do with anything? There is no Manga anymore and never will be. Pointless argument.

*Ahem* And Jaco? Who saw that coming? Anyone? Really?

Basically, never write off Toriyama's ability to throw a curve-ball, and be equally as predictably unpredictable as he is downright predictable. The man is consistently inconsistent.

@bold part, that sums up Toriyama perfectly I guess you are right, but the original point I was trying it make was that SSG and BSS were made with the intent of being shown on film rather then printed on manga and because of that the argument Basaku was making is just silly.

[jcogginsa]

Even if you don't like it, there's a DESIGN in it. Effort and creeativity was poured into it, even if you consider final result not good. SSJG has no design. Changing color in Photoshop is not designing. The backstory is weak as well and Blue SSJ is introduced even worse.

SSJGod doesnt even have its own original backstory, its entire concept was just a mash up of the show's own cliches into one form. No effort whatsoever.

Dude, Toriyama's ALWAYS gone for simple designs in power ups. Super Saiyan is a dye job and a new hair cut, SSJ2 is lightning effects, SSJ3 is really long hair. Just because it's not a big change doesn't mean there was no effort put into it

A new hair cut is still a change. Its completely different from the base hair style and its just a visual metaphor for rage. Done. Simple thought but its there. SSJ3 is very distinct in comparison to the other forms as well. Really long hair, a slimmer face and protruding brow is still a noticable change.

SSJGod on the other hand doesnt even have its own original backstory, its entire concept was just a mash up of the show's own cliches into one form. No effort whatsoever.

Do you know what I like about SSJ4? The fact that they got pink fur and suddenly got pants. I love that. Just thinking about how they must have grown the pants using their own hair is just amazing.

Sarcastic or not, I honestly really hate when people in general have to look for reasons to hate on SSJ4 that don't mean anything beyond reaching for something to nitpick.
"Oh, hez gaht pahntz nao; owt uv no-whair! dat maeks noo sense!!!!!!!!!!" Its like people who say that would rather see him fight naked, and a child with a hairy mane.

SSJG is more orignal than all the other forms except the first SSJ

SSJ2: Me and Vegeta have Gohan's special power up now
SSJ3: I trained a lot and got long hair

[fexus]

Even if you don't like it, there's a DESIGN in it. Effort and creeativity was poured into it, even if you consider final result not good. SSJG has no design. Changing color in Photoshop is not designing. The backstory is weak as well and Blue SSJ is introduced even worse.

SSJGod doesnt even have its own original backstory, its entire concept was just a mash up of the show's own cliches into one form. No effort whatsoever.

Dude, Toriyama's ALWAYS gone for simple designs in power ups. Super Saiyan is a dye job and a new hair cut, SSJ2 is lightning effects, SSJ3 is really long hair. Just because it's not a big change doesn't mean there was no effort put into it

A new hair cut is still a change. Its completely different from the base hair style and its just a visual metaphor for rage. Done. Simple thought but its there. SSJ3 is very distinct in comparison to the other forms as well. Really long hair, a slimmer face and protruding brow is still a noticable change.

SSJGod on the other hand doesnt even have its own original backstory, its entire concept was just a mash up of the show's own cliches into one form. No effort whatsoever.

Do you know what I like about SSJ4? The fact that they got pink fur and suddenly got pants. I love that. Just thinking about how they must have grown the pants using their own hair is just amazing.

Sarcastic or not, I honestly really hate when people in general have to look for reasons to hate on SSJ4 that don't mean anything beyond reaching for something to nitpick.
"Oh, hez gaht pahntz nao; owt uv no-whair! dat maeks noo sense!!!!!!!!!!" Its like people who say that would rather see him fight naked, and a child with a hairy mane.

SSJ God does have a backstory. It's a form made from pure hearted saiyans.

So, a hair cut is a change but when you turn skinny, get different eyes, get fire aura and changing your hair colour to red it isn't.

Because SSJ4 doesn't make sense. Getting pink fur and pants doesn't make sense. Can't wait to hear the legend that doesn't make sense that comes with the pink fur and pants.

[Big Momma]

So, getting spikier hair and lightning is a change but getting a skinnier body, different iris, fire aura and red hair is a colour swap.

Which one of these will look distinct in black&white manga format? There's no problem recognizing teen Gohan in SSJ1 and SSJ2 forms. Wanna try SSJG Goku?

Sorry but what the hell does that have to do with anything? There is no Manga anymore and never will be. Pointless argument.

We've gotten a glimpse of SSJG in manga form already.

[SuperSaiyanQ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Zm1NK ... e=youtu.be
Super Saiyan beyond god form mod created in Xenoverse , I think they creator did an awesome job tbh

[Low Tone G]

The more I think of it, the more it makes me to consider this Blue SSJ the result and the condition for Goku and Vegeta to become stronger than they were earlier. I mean.. Even if Gokus's Golden SSJ was able to maintain Goku's God power in BoG, but for increasing more power he should increase his God power which has not the same source like the SSJ is so the hair color changing is needed. But I really hate the color of Blue, but that's me.

[Chuquita]

I'm still hoping the manga means I at least get to have a glimpse of low power ssjg Gokû in this movie.

[sayian_nation_]

Because SSJ4 doesn't make sense. Getting pink fur and pants doesn't make sense. Can't wait to hear the legend that doesn't make sense that comes with the pink fur and pants.

That may be your opinion but I don't see how it doesn't make sense. Saiyans are born with monkey like tails and their true powers are formed when sighting a full moon which turn them into big apes. I feel SSJ4 brings their true power closer to their ape form so it's only right they somewhat have physical characteristics similar to apes.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

SSJ God does have a backstory. It's a form made from pure hearted saiyans.

I already explained why that alone is not good enough. Its just a generic, "Well, on Planet Vegeta" myth, with the rehashed fusion "time limit" slapped on it to excuse why it wasn't relevant until now. "Well because the timelimit made it lost in history..." B.S.

So, a hair cut is a change but when you turn skinny, get different eyes, get fire aura and changing your hair colour to red it isn't.

Not after seeing SSJ3 & SSJ4.

Because SSJ4 doesn't make sense. Getting pink fur and pants doesn't make sense. Can't wait to hear the legend that doesn't make sense that comes with the pink fur and pants.

Again. I already brought up how this isn't a valid argument.

The more I think of it, the more it makes me to consider this Blue SSJ the result and the condition for Goku and Vegeta to become stronger than they were earlier. I mean.. Even if Gokus's Golden SSJ was able to maintain Goku's God power in BoG, but for increasing more power he should increase his God power which has not the same source like the SSJ is so the hair color changing is needed. But I really hate the color of Blue, but that's me.

The hair colour change isnt the problem; its the choice of colour like Freeza's is ugly and uncorrelated with anything.

[sayian_nation_]

Actually Fexus, I get where you are coming from about the pink fur, I prefer more red or dark brown color but to each his own.

[jcogginsa]

SSJ God does have a backstory. It's a form made from pure hearted saiyans.

I already explained why that alone is not good enough. Its just a generic, "Well, on Planet Vegeta" myth, with the rehashed fusion "time limit" slapped on it to excuse why it wasn't relevant until now. "Well because the timelimit made it lost in history..." B.S.

So, a hair cut is a change but when you turn skinny, get different eyes, get fire aura and changing your hair colour to red it isn't.

Not after seeing SSJ3 & SSJ4.

Because SSJ4 doesn't make sense. Getting pink fur and pants doesn't make sense. Can't wait to hear the legend that doesn't make sense that comes with the pink fur and pants.

Again. I already brought up how this isn't a valid argument.

Doesn't matter. A distinct change is still there, so you can't say it's just a color swap

[Neon Z]

He was still sent to Earth to conquer it but it's also a way for Bardock to save his son. I mean, it will still be the same thing on what will happen after that. If Grandpa Gohan didn't find him and he didn't get hit on the head, he would still be a Saiyan that wanted to conquer Earth.

Yeah, we should stop this useless discussion.

Never in Minus is mentioned that Goku is supposed to conquer Earth. You are adding that interpretation to Minus to compensate for the fact that Minus didn't explain it properly.

But it's mentioned in Jaco. The Galaxy patrol knows about Goku being sent but seem to believe that he's being sent to conquer the planet.

So, getting spikier hair and lightning is a change but getting a skinnier body, different iris, fire aura and red hair is a colour swap.

Which one of these will look distinct in black&white manga format? There's no problem recognizing teen Gohan in SSJ1 and SSJ2 forms. Wanna try SSJG Goku?

SSJG had thought put into it

"How do I replace color in Photohop?". Pinnacle of creative process

In a manga, SSJG Goku would have his standard hair style, but without black paint. It'd be pretty easy to get. Now the new Blue SSJG isn't as obvious, but there'd be ways. Maybe even keeping it black, but giving it the SSJ shape? Sometimes for whatever reason blue things end up painted as black in manga (like Vegeta's suits).

Because SSJ4 doesn't make sense. Getting pink fur and pants doesn't make sense. Can't wait to hear the legend that doesn't make sense that comes with the pink fur and pants.

That may be your opinion but I don't see how it doesn't make sense. Saiyans are born with monkey like tails and their true powers are formed when sighting a full moon which turn them into big apes. I feel SSJ4 brings their true power closer to their ape form so it's only right they somewhat have physical characteristics similar to apes.

But SSJ was a power way beyond the great ape, so why would their greatest power actually lie back there? It makes sense in a "back to the original theme" way, but it doesn't really follow the progression they had seen up until then.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

SSJ God does have a backstory. It's a form made from pure hearted saiyans.

I already explained why that alone is not good enough. Its just a generic, "Well, on Planet Vegeta" myth, with the rehashed fusion "time limit" slapped on it to excuse why it wasn't relevant until now. "Well because the timelimit made it lost in history..." B.S.

So, a hair cut is a change but when you turn skinny, get different eyes, get fire aura and changing your hair colour to red it isn't.

Not after seeing SSJ3 & SSJ4.

Because SSJ4 doesn't make sense. Getting pink fur and pants doesn't make sense. Can't wait to hear the legend that doesn't make sense that comes with the pink fur and pants.

Again. I already brought up how this isn't a valid argument.

Doesn't matter. A distinct change is still there, so you can't say it's just a color swap

It does matter. A slimmer body isnt obvious enough of a change. With how many artists this series had never staying on model, SSJG Goku could be buff in one frame and skinny in another. Thats barely anything. Taking one Spike off of goku's head and calling that a new form isnt a new form just because its technically different.