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sintzu wrote:
His return made him look like nothing which is thankfully being fixed in this movie.
Not really since it makes him look a lazy idiot for going to Earth without training and it contradicts the very clear intent shown in the manga of Freeza being "garbage", even with a power-up, compared to the SSJs of the android arc.
With the introduction of this movie, that intent is swept under the rug and replaced with the notion that Freeza is a lazy idiot that could have done this after his defeat on Namek, crushing all his foes.
Super SaiyaJon wrote:I'm honestly curious if people would be reacting this way if the movies were manga chapters during the original serialization. Do you think people would still have the same complaints they do now?
Regarding Golden Freeza? Well, we got Mecha Freeza, which is nearly as a tacky as both a plot point and design, only getting points for being more elaborate than it ultimately had to be.
sintzu wrote:
Beerus-sama wrote:Maybe Freeza is golden because of the movie premiering in the golden week?
That...makes sense and is something I can see Toriyama doing.
Coming from Mister "Z is the last letter of the (English) alphabet, right? Call it that!", I would not put it past him at all.
JulieYBM wrote:
Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
sintzu wrote:
His return made him look like nothing which is thankfully being fixed in this movie.
Not really since it makes him look a lazy idiot for going to Earth without training and it contradicts the very clear intent shown in the manga of Freeza being "garbage", even with a power-up, compared to the SSJs of the android arc.
With the introduction of this movie, that intent is swept under the rug and replaced with the notion that Freeza is a lazy idiot that could have done this after his defeat on Namek, crushing all his foes.
To rectify this I take the opinion that Freeza's cybernetics were holding back his full potential. As when his organic side got more powerful his mechanical side wouldn't have been able to keep up.
Sounds like there aiming for 4 Billion yen this time.
Didn't BoG just about reach the 3 Billion goal? So aiming for 4 this time sounds good, because it shows they have confidence in the movie. At least that why I interpret.
The Monkey King wrote:To rectify this I take the opinion that Freeza's cybernetics were holding back his full potential. As when his organic side got more powerful his mechanical side wouldn't have been able to keep up.
That's a valid theory but its useless if its not presented as an explanation in the movie. It really shouldn't be the fans' job to try to make sense out of things.
Furthermore, considering that Toriyama stated that the androids can get stronger by training, and they don't even have natural Ki, it would be weird for Mecha-Freeza to not be able to improve by training since he actually has a natural Ki.
The Monkey King wrote:To rectify this I take the opinion that Freeza's cybernetics were holding back his full potential. As when his organic side got more powerful his mechanical side wouldn't have been able to keep up.
That's a valid theory but its useless if its not presented as an explanation in the movie. It really shouldn't be the fans' job to try to make sense out of things.
Furthermore, considering that Toriyama stated that the androids can get stronger by training, and they don't even have natural Ki, it would be weird for Mecha-Freeza to not be able to improve by training since he actually has a natural Ki.
Why would Mecha-Freeza need to train in the first place? the only person that can touch him is Goku and he is seemingly dead, so there is no need for Freeza to train before Earth, right?
The Monkey King wrote:To rectify this I take the opinion that Freeza's cybernetics were holding back his full potential. As when his organic side got more powerful his mechanical side wouldn't have been able to keep up.
That's a valid theory but its useless if its not presented as an explanation in the movie. It really shouldn't be the fans' job to try to make sense out of things.
Furthermore, considering that Toriyama stated that the androids can get stronger by training, and they don't even have natural Ki, it would be weird for Mecha-Freeza to not be able to improve by training since he actually has a natural Ki.
Why would Mecha-Freeza need to train in the first place? the only person that can touch him is Goku and he is seemingly dead, so there is no need for Freeza to train before Earth, right?
He actually knew Son Goku was alive, at least by the time he'd gotten Earth. He proclaimed that he would leave the Earth a dead wasteland for him to return home to.
This idea that Freeza would think to train before attacking Earth is fruitless to begin with, to me. It's already shown that he didn't even bother training in the manga and anime. The moment he woke up, he essentially set his sights on Earth, he postured that his cybernetic improvements gave him all the power he needed to eliminate the Earth of all it's inhabitants, and he seemed quite secure in his ability, with said cybernetic improvements, to still take on Son Goku after he'd finished wiping out the Earthlings.
FREEZA'S A FOOLISH, POMPOUS IDIOT. HIS HUBRIS IS HIS BIGGEST DOWNFALL.
KaiserNeko wrote:
He actually knew Son Goku was alive, at least by the time he'd gotten Earth. He proclaimed that he would leave the Earth a dead wasteland for him to return home to.
This idea that Freeza would think to train before attacking Earth is fruitless to begin with, to me. It's already shown that he didn't even bother training in the manga and anime. The moment he woke up, he essentially set his sights on Earth, he postured that his cybernetic improvements gave him all the power he needed to eliminate the Earth of all it's inhabitants, and he seemed quite secure in his ability, with said cybernetic improvements, to still take on Son Goku after he'd finished wiping out the Earthlings.
FREEZA'S A FOOLISH, POMPOUS IDIOT. HIS HUBRIS IS HIS BIGGEST DOWNFALL.
Actually he thought he might need his daddies help. So even he admitted he might not be enough to his own father. Though he thought he and his dad should suffice. So even Freeza admitted Goku might be too strong for him. Though I'm not gonna go on and on about this topic anymore. People have had enough of that. The point has been brought up, people have taken their sides.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Sounds like there aiming for 4 Billion yen this time.
So Freeza is competing with Avengers in April. Looking more forward to Freeza then Avengers hopefully majority are too XD.
Wait is the movie competing with the avengers? If so then Fukkatsu no F is screwed.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
JamesOwnz wrote:RoF is not competeing with the Avengers lol.
RoF comes out mid april and only in Japan.
Avengers comes out late april-May in Europe and North America
Wouldn't the avengers come out in Japan too? Though the dates are different so I guess I was mislead.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
