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Wow. Thank god I didn't give a shit about Minus. Otherwise it would've "almost" raped the whole series for me. Like, Toriyama, what the hell are you doing? You have alzheimers or something?
FortuneSSJ wrote:
That's not fact, just a lie. Watch/Read Pilaf arc or General Blue arc.
I still think these two sagas are stupid and kiddy-ish, but compared to half of the new stuff, these two are better, heck even the Buu saga didn't stoop to this level and it's my least favorite saga in the series.
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
-Lack of Onio. I have no problems with the series returning to its slapstick gag-manga origins as it already did that post-Cell Games. But since they are, I want to see Onio's origin story.
-Goku being a child instead of a baby in Dragonball Minus and in Jaco. It had already been established that he was sent as an infant, so this is just a plothole, not a retcon.
-SSJ God not being explained as actually being the Legendary SSJ that appears every 1,000 years.
And, as mentioned, the fandom's reaction to the series no longer being more serious in tone. Seriousness stopped after the Cell Games, folks!
Captain Christopher Pike wrote:The away team will consist of myself, Cadet Kirk, Mr. Sulu, and Ensign Olsen.
Freeza Heika wrote:
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After the Cell Games came the Great Saiyaman arc. After the Great Saiyaman arc came Fat Boo. After Fat Boo came Gotenks. After Gotenks came numerous promises of Rou Kaioshin getting to "play" with Bulma and other jokes. Then the series ended.
Captain Christopher Pike wrote:The away team will consist of myself, Cadet Kirk, Mr. Sulu, and Ensign Olsen.
Freeza Heika wrote:
for the land of the cool, and the home of the Appule
If we're allowed to pick something game related I don't think anything tops Kinect Dragonball Z. My God that was horrendous, I felt a little ashamed to be a fan during that time.
The cheap Animation I've been seeing. That hits me the hardest... aside from some of these new story plots that don't really do much for me.
Instead of maybe going more in depth into maybe the Saiyan heritage or lifestyle, or what Goku or Vegeta did in Space after Freeza's defeat, let's bring in Vegeta's useless brother because that'll turn heads.
Don't get be wrong, I enjoy watching anything Dragon Ball, I really have no complaints. I just nitpick at things.
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After the Cell Games came the Great Saiyaman arc. After the Great Saiyaman arc came Fat Boo. After Fat Boo came Gotenks. After Gotenks came numerous promises of Rou Kaioshin getting to "play" with Bulma and other jokes. Then the series ended.
It was also the arc where two crooks shot an elderly couple in the face with a sniper rifle for fun. Where they shot a puppy and Buu later dived into one of their mouths expanding his body until he blew up from the inside. It was where Buu wiped out billions of people and destroyed the Earth. It was where Spopovich gave Videl a more brutal beating than any other fight in the series.
It had more comedy in it than the others but it was still serious overall and possibly the most sadistic arc of them all.
Dragon Ball SD is probably the lamest product. It doesn't provoke a positive or negative reaction. It is just something that exists.
I guess sometimes the author gets to do something interesting but usually it is just DB as is drawn by someone else.
Dragon Ball Kai Buu Saga. What a fucking mess, from top to bottom. It's the worst case of Toei not giving a shit about Dragon Ball I've ever seen. And that is saying a lot.
Dragon Ball Minus is just... bleh. I don't vehiminsouly hate it like the majority of the people on the forum do, but I don't care for it at all either.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I'm all for being critical of artistic works (particularly "Dragon Ball Minus"...!), but can we please not sling personal attacks at the man? Show at least a little goddamn respect, please.
You don't have to like what he comes up with, but keep your mud-slinging to yourself.
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I totally forgot about giant lime-green oozaru Brolli who also keeps his hairstyle. That's my pick. Definitely. That Brolli form was hilariously awful, imo.
I can think of things I dislike--I dislike how rushed and added-on-to-Jaco-because Minus is, and I definitely disliked how dull the revised "Plot to Destroy the Super Saiyajins" was, but in term of things that I think are "lame", giant lime-green oozaru Brolli who keeps his hairstyle in that form is the winner(?).
Luso Saiyan wrote:This is probably the lamest thing I can think of.
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Dyno wrote:in 1080p
Minor nitpick, but it's actually in 720p.
You know, if something like that entered the canon, I'd shake my head, but I like what Heroes does: it basically takes all the fan fiction stuff you'd expect and combines it all together into one non-canon series that's its own thing. Satisfies people who would enjoy that stuff without tainting the actual series.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
God, can we not turn this to an "I hate Broly" club, guys.
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
EXBadguy wrote:God, can we not turn this to an "I hate Broly" club, guys.
If Broly wasn't the worst case of creators pet in Dragon Ball, maybe there wouldn't be so much disdain for him.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
