What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:50 am

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fadeddreams5 wrote:Step 1:
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- Use the 2nd wish to transport modern Gohan and Videl into the sun.

Everyone wins. :)
But then we have an out of character pussy who wouldn't jump in to save his friends. Just sit there and watch them die even though no other Gohan would just sit back and take that shit.
I think he learned his lesson after watching his father die, seeing Cell kill trunks, having his arm broken, and nearly causing Armageddon. I...think.

Though...maybe that's why he stopped fighting. Repressed all of that, went to therapy, and spent the next 7 years in his happy place...
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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by sintzu » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:21 am

All the hate the new material is getting is by far the lamest thing I've seen lately but thankfully it's from a small minority.
dbzfan7 wrote:I get a laugh at the sheer stupid idea, and wonder how anyone thought it was a good idea.
If you think what Toriyama has been doing is stupid then you should read what some fans wanted/want from him.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:25 am

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dbzfan7 wrote:I get a laugh at the sheer stupid idea, and wonder how anyone thought it was a good idea.
If you think what Toriyama has been doing is stupid then you should read what some fans wanted/want from him.
That'd be delving into the Broly's, shipping, and fetish territory...no thanks.
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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:19 am

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BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:If your going to have a story where Goku solves everything, Battle of Gods had the far more entertaining idea for the interlude. This isn't deifying Toriyama, he crashed his own film hype train with Revival of F, this Toriyama actually coming up a better approach to utilizing characters that will ultimately get smashed than the mindless, dragging unfun filler-fighting that makes up so much of GT. Some of which does feature Goku.
Everybody getting chumped effortlessly and ~only ~*Goku*~ can save us~ is terrible and boring no matter how sparkly the paint job is.
And for all the praise I've heaped on Toriyama for ignoring or subverting movie tropes, consciously or not, he never addresses the root of the problem.
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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by ABED » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:31 am

Everybody getting chumped effortlessly and ~only ~*Goku*~ can save us~ is terrible and boring no matter how sparkly the paint job is.
You might as well complain that Superman always saves the day in his stories.
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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by Luso Saiyan » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:34 am

EXBadguy wrote:I'm serious. All he did was just stand in space only to get disintergrated by a meteor, so he didn't really fight Freeza. He's playable in almost every game too, just like Broly, yet Broly gets all the shit.
What does that have to do with anything? You seem to imply that the problem some people (including myself) have with Broly is the amount of fans he has or his availability as a playable character. I'd say some of the main reasons are the character itself (or lack thereof) and the incessant 'Mary Sue' treatment.

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:44 am

ABED wrote:You might as well complain that Superman always saves the day in his stories.
There's a difference between "saves the day" and "is the only one who can do anything".

Also Goku DOESN'T always save the day in the original story.

Also I don't recall Justice League having Flash/Lantern/WonderWoman/Batman get beat up every episode until Superman floated down to save them.

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Post by EXBadguy » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:08 pm

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EXBadguy wrote:I'm serious. All he did was just stand in space only to get disintergrated by a meteor, so he didn't really fight Freeza. He's playable in almost every game too, just like Broly, yet Broly gets all the shit.
What does that have to do with anything? You seem to imply that the problem some people (including myself) have with Broly is the amount of fans he has or his availability as a playable character.
And that's what I'm talking about. You can hate the character all you want, but to bash the character cuz he's in almost every game when another movie/special character is doing the same? Come on. Sometimes I think Broly get too overbashed here honestly. Just don't watch his movies nor don't play as him, it's not that hard.
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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by ABED » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:15 pm

Rocketman wrote:
ABED wrote:You might as well complain that Superman always saves the day in his stories.
There's a difference between "saves the day" and "is the only one who can do anything".

Also Goku DOESN'T always save the day in the original story.

Also I don't recall Justice League having Flash/Lantern/WonderWoman/Batman get beat up every episode until Superman floated down to save them.
I think people are under the impression that it's more of an ensemble than it truly is. Goku is more or less the guy that saves the day in DB. 9 times out of 10, he's the hero that saves the day. DB isn't the justice league, it's not a team of characters that are heroes with their own books. That's a superhero group, DB is more akin to Batman, Superman, or Spider-Man. Each of those has a cast of characters that surround the main hero.
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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by Rocketman » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:40 pm

ABED wrote:I think people are under the impression that it's more of an ensemble than it truly is. Goku is more or less the guy that saves the day in DB. 9 times out of 10, he's the hero that saves the day.
He saves the day (in the ~only one who can do it~ sense) once in DBZ, when he fights Freeza on Namek. For the entire rest of it, it's an ensemble cast.

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Post by ParkerAL » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:43 pm

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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by Luso Saiyan » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:03 pm

EXBadguy wrote:but to bash the character cuz he's in almost every game
Who did that?

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:06 pm

Brolymania has cooled down recently, but it was completely absurd for a while - he even got jammed into a game about the Saiyan Arc.

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Post by Bullza » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:49 pm

Not surprised despite being a non canon character he's certainly one of the most popular characters from the series and arguably the most popular villain.

He's far more interesting than Bardock that's for sure.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:05 pm

Speaking of Broly, I bought this Broly figuarts toy for 50 bucks months ago. I stopped collecting toys years ago, but the minute I saw this beauty, I knew he was the one. I knew... the price of this baby would spike in less than a year. And by god I was right. Now costs nearly 100 bucks, and will continue increasing for years to come.


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Post by Zephyr » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:13 pm

Marco Polo wrote:The fanbase that can't appreciate a simple cartoon.
jjgp1112 wrote:The lamest thing is the fanbase boo-hooing about anything that contradicts the headcanons they thought were set in stone for 15 years.
Gonna have to go with this.

Also really not digging the current artstyle, whether we're talking about the anime's or Toriyama's.

Edit: Also really not liking the disgusting lack of Hironobu Kageyama's vocals in theme songs.

As for the whole "but if GT did what Toriyama's doing you'd all balk at it" argument, GT's problems aren't contained to the inconsistencies of the story that it created, or that Goku had the spotlight. There was much more wrong with it than that, and we've had dozens upon dozens of threads about that stuff. One very stark contrast between BoG and GT is that GT wasn't filled with Toriyama-written character interactions throughout, which is immensely what contributed to what I personally liked about the new film. GT hardly makes up for its ills.
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Post by Luso Saiyan » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:21 pm

Bullza wrote:He's far more interesting than Bardock that's for sure.
What's for sure is that's subjective.

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Post by Kakarot9001 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:30 pm

Rocketman wrote:Brolymania has cooled down recently, but it was completely absurd for a while - he even got jammed into a game about the Saiyan Arc.
Attack Of The Saiyans right? I found that so ridiculous, man... Even Dr. Whello or Tullece would be a better choice

even though I like Broly all that hype on him makes me feel kinda sick

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Post by Rukura » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:17 pm

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Rocketman wrote:Brolymania has cooled down recently, but it was completely absurd for a while - he even got jammed into a game about the Saiyan Arc.
Attack Of The Saiyans right? I found that so ridiculous, man... Even Dr. Whello or Tullece would be a better choice

even though I like Broly all that hype on him makes me feel kinda sick
And let's not forget that he was in both Attack of the Saiyans and Ultimate Butoden. The two games branded as Dragon Ball Kai. Kai! The manga cut of the anime. (or so it was marketted as, despite recent events in the Boo arc)
Unlike Bardock, I don't remember seeing Broli a single time in any of the 42 manga volumes.
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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by ABED » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:29 pm

Rocketman wrote:
ABED wrote:I think people are under the impression that it's more of an ensemble than it truly is. Goku is more or less the guy that saves the day in DB. 9 times out of 10, he's the hero that saves the day.
<br abp="945"><br abp="946">He saves the day (in the ~only one who can do it~ sense) once in DBZ, when he fights Freeza on Namek. For the entire rest of it, it's an ensemble cast.
Completely disregarding DB and implying that it's a different series. Ensemble isn't inherently better. For the bulk of the series, Goku is the main hero. The Buu arc has a slightly more ensemble approach, though it's not necessarily the better for it, and much of that feels like Toriyama simply couldn't decide who should be the main hero.
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