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Sean Schemmel is THE MAN! :)
Me- "Also, before anyone mentions it, Schemmel's interview was from nearly 15 years ago. He paid a brief visit to Kanzenshuu's forums a few years back and earned legendary respect that cancels out anything he said from that long ago. :D"
Even before I opened the topic, I was thinking the exact words "Ayers, hands down". So yeah, Ayers.
The most similar performance to the original by far.
The new movie dub's going to be kinda awkward, Freeza's had his voice changed more often and radically then just about any other character in the dub.
I'm still undecided but I'm not for either 4 or 5.
Sean Schemmel is THE MAN! :)
Me- "Also, before anyone mentions it, Schemmel's interview was from nearly 15 years ago. He paid a brief visit to Kanzenshuu's forums a few years back and earned legendary respect that cancels out anything he said from that long ago. :D"
Mewzard wrote:Chris Ayres, no doubt. He's just been a delightful Freeza.
I can't wait to see him voice Freeza in the new movie.
I'm just wondering: are we sure that he will? I remember Chris Sabat saying that he'd choose him, but I can perfectly picture the higher powers forcing him to pick Linda Young because "that's DBZ not DBZ Kai yadda yadda yadda".
Mewzard wrote:Chris Ayres, no doubt. He's just been a delightful Freeza.
I can't wait to see him voice Freeza in the new movie.
I'm just wondering: are we sure that he will? I remember Chris Sabat saying that he'd choose him, but I can perfectly picture the higher powers forcing him to pick Linda Young because "that's DBZ not DBZ Kai yadda yadda yadda".
It's going to be Chris Ayres.
Also, Chris Ayres is the best representation of Freeza in the English speaking world, in my opinion.
Chris Ayres, definitely. I get the impression that Ocean, and possibly blue water) Freeza voiced Freeza based on a picture of how he looked, not who he was. Original Funi Freeza seemed to be trying to copy Ocean Freeza. But Ayres voiced Freeza based on his personality and characterization, not his first form's outward appearance.
The Malaysian dub? Well, it's certainly interesting, I'll give it that. But where does the Big Green dub fit into all this?
It's insulting to compare any other Freeza dub voice to Chris Ayres. That's how good his take is, and how bad everyone else is. Only Martian Billany counts as a good Freeza voice that's not Chris Ayres, but he's only doing it for Parody, and that one live action fan made production. So he kinda doesn't count since he isn't an official voice of Freeza.
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:It's insulting to compare any other Freeza dub voice to Chris Ayres. That's how good his take is, and how bad everyone else is. Only Martian Billany counts as a good Freeza voice that's not Chris Ayres, but he's only doing it for Parody, and that one live action fan made production. So he kinda doesn't count since he isn't an official voice of Freeza.
Speaking of parody, and I'm sure I'll get some flack for this, but I don't really care, Little Kuriboh could easily be a more than adequate Freeza in a legitimate dub.
At first, I hated Ayres. Then, I slapped myself in the face for ever questioning his portrayal of the mighty Frieza. He's the best, hands down.
Frieza's Japanese VA is also great. He voices that one mad scientist captain from Bleach, IIRC. I love his voice.
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Mewzard wrote:Chris Ayres, no doubt. He's just been a delightful Freeza.
I can't wait to see him voice Freeza in the new movie.
I'm just wondering: are we sure that he will? I remember Chris Sabat saying that he'd choose him, but I can perfectly picture the higher powers forcing him to pick Linda Young because "that's DBZ not DBZ Kai yadda yadda yadda".
If I remember correctly they actually did consider bringing Linda Young Back for Kai but she heard Ayres performance and gave her blessings to go on with him. She knew he was a better fit and stepped down. I think Ayres is one of the few good things Kai gave us and I really like him so my vote is on him but I still have a soft spot for Young so...they can share the title in my opinion!
Going on hiatus. Too much stuff in RL to deal with for me to keep up with posts here for now. Was fun, hope you all have a nice day and future! Volt signing off.
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Mewzard wrote:Chris Ayres, no doubt. He's just been a delightful Freeza.
I can't wait to see him voice Freeza in the new movie.
I'm just wondering: are we sure that he will? I remember Chris Sabat saying that he'd choose him, but I can perfectly picture the higher powers forcing him to pick Linda Young because "that's DBZ not DBZ Kai yadda yadda yadda".
If I remember correctly they actually did consider bringing Linda Young Back for Kai but she heard Ayres performance and gave her blessings to go on with him. She knew he was a better fit and stepped down. I think Ayres is one of the few good things Kai gave us and I really like him so my vote is on him but I still have a soft spot for Young so...they can share the title in my opinion!
She was initially cast as Frieza again for Kai (Episode 1 laughing) but when it came to the character actually speaking, she had trouble keeping up with the script which had her pretty upset since she liked playing the character. Chris Ayers is brought in for Frieza and she was happy for him to continue the role.
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voltlunok wrote:
If I remember correctly they actually did consider bringing Linda Young Back for Kai but she heard Ayres performance and gave her blessings to go on with him. She knew he was a better fit and stepped down. I think Ayres is one of the few good things Kai gave us and I really like him so my vote is on him but I still have a soft spot for Young so...they can share the title in my opinion!
She was initially cast as Freeza again for Kai (Episode 1 laughing) but when it came to the character actually speaking, she had trouble keeping up with the script which had her pretty upset since she liked playing the character. Chris Ayers is brought in for Freeza and she was happy for him to continue the role.
Ah thank you. I knew it was something along those lines but I just didn't remember all the info.
Going on hiatus. Too much stuff in RL to deal with for me to keep up with posts here for now. Was fun, hope you all have a nice day and future! Volt signing off.
With the many years on the net I've spent...I've learned being polite takes you much further then being a dick. So...lesson here is! Don't be a dick!
"Fill up your stomach and your happiness! " - Cure Honey
voltlunok wrote:
If I remember correctly they actually did consider bringing Linda Young Back for Kai but she heard Ayres performance and gave her blessings to go on with him. She knew he was a better fit and stepped down. I think Ayres is one of the few good things Kai gave us and I really like him so my vote is on him but I still have a soft spot for Young so...they can share the title in my opinion!
She was initially cast as Freeza again for Kai (Episode 1 laughing) but when it came to the character actually speaking, she had trouble keeping up with the script which had her pretty upset since she liked playing the character. Chris Ayers is brought in for Freeza and she was happy for him to continue the role.
Ah thank you. I knew it was something along those lines but I just didn't remember all the info.
Yeah. The new scripts--which were faithfully adapted, this time around--had very (for lack of a better term) "wordy" dialogue. Freeza was using a lot of upper-class speech that he wasn't in any previous dub. So the dialogue was very wordy and relatively fast. Combine that with the need to speak the dialogue with emotional conviction, intelligibility, and fit to the on-screen lip flaps...and you've got one hell of a task on your hands. According to Chris Sabat, Young just couldn't keep up. Ayers, by contrast, is heavily involved with theater outside of anime and LOVES Shakespeare, so when he was given the chance to play a character with the elegance and upper-class speech reminiscent of a Shakespeare play, he was all too happy to comply.
I mean, the man basically made Freeza sound like the elegant, sophisticated badass for the first time in English, as he was supposed to be.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
So, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and assume that the general consensus is that Chris Ayers is the greatest thing to happen to Freeza since he got his first hoverchair?
Kamiccolo9 wrote:So, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and assume that the general consensus is that Chris Ayers is the greatest thing to happen to Freeza since he got his first hoverchair?
Yes.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
