Gaffer Tape wrote:Again, I'm not talking about the "person" of Yamucha. I'm talking about him as an object of a writer. Toriyama created him as an interesting character, shifted him to a device used to measure the strength of new characters without giving him enough triumphant moments to make that role work. As such, a large portion of the fanbase (not me) sees him as useless. The fact that so many people feel that way makes that a failure on Toriyama's part.
I still don't see him as a failure though, sure he could be executed better by Toriyama, but as for now I don't see him any more a failure than say people like Chi-Chi, Krillin, Yajirobe, Muten Roshi, Chiaotzu, etc. All of them could be used in the story better, become much stronger and relevant, etc, but they were not. I still don't find Yamcha being a failure, considering that he is the 4th (or even 3rd if we discount Uub) strongest human in the Earth. A lot of people could only dream about it. He can fly, use Ki, he can destroy planet (if we believe that Saiyan Saga Vegeta is able to do so), he can beat likes of Mister Satan while being asleep and without using his hands, he is also always there to support his friends, he helped to deliver Goku at his home, gave him a cure, he also comforted Trunks after him starting doubting Vegeta, and thinking that his father didn't love him, despite Yamcha disliking Vegeta, he is quite an admirable person in all ways, he is a good friend of Goku (as well as one of the first ones, right after Bulma), he is strong, and excellent martial artist. Not to mention that in original Dragon Ball he was the one to tell Puar to transform into the scissors to cut off Oozaru Goku's tail, he was the one to come up with this plan, he was one of the few who knew it would work, and he was the only one fighter to be there in time. He saved a lot of cities from being destroyed by rampaged Oozaru Goku. He saved Bulma from Oozaru Goku, and Bulma later became one of the most important characters in the whole series. He also saved Goku even before, from Monster Carrot's gang. He was also the first one to forgive Tien, after everything he did to him, which let him to mellow out even faster and become a proper part of the crew. So while he could be used much better by Toriyama, I don't see him as a failure. And if he is, then not more than any other humans who was left behind before him for the sake of Saiyans and other characters. As for character being used to showcase the power of villains, Vegeta was used as such as well later, but hardly anyone calls him a failure. Vegeta also never defeated any of the main villains, despite being an elite saiyan. While Yamcha was always just a human.
Lord Beerus wrote: Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote:Okay, here goes.
Yamucha IS a failure.
He is not a failure, he is one of the most strongest martial artists in the Earth, and not only Earth, but in the whole Universe. Hardly a failure IMO.
Yamcha's not even among the top three strongest earthlings...
He is, if we discount Uub, and honestly we don't even know how Yamcha rates compared with Krillin and Tien. And why should someone be in top three to be cool? We are speaking about the person literally being the 4th (or 3rd if we discount Uub) strongest human in the Earth, heck a lot of people would have dreamed to get in top 100, or even top 1000, let alone being in top-5 or even top-3
Vegeta is also not in the top three strongest beings, he is behind Whis, Beerus and Goku.