You don't have to meet or know someone 'personally' to come to rational conclusions. This argument is so tried and cliched that I'm sick of refuting it. It's the equivalent of telling someone they're biased because they called Ted Bundy a horrendous human being, why? They didn't know the guy personally. Gimme a break. Extremist example? Sure, but reduction to absurdity gets the job done. You're also making an assumption about my certainty of knowledge, based purely on conjecture, which is irrational and discredits you. There's nothing that's showed prejudice or anything unfair (which is ironic considering Chan is incredibly bigoted).rereboy wrote:You never met Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan, you just know some details that global media has presented to you, and you yet you seem to be sure of who is the better man personally and professionally, while pointing out bias regarding Toriyama. I would say that it is ironic.Sayo-chan wrote: How is that ironic? So coming to the conclusion someone is better than someone else both morally and as a fighter is becoming biased?
Bias:I would love to see where my supposed prejudice is making the arguments that support my views unfair.prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
Let me start out by saying I have nothing but respect for his cinematic achievements, but as a person, I find him to be nothing short of a scumbag. In China Jackie is met with mixed views, mainly because you don't hear about many of his exploitations in western media. People in HK absolutely loath him, and with good reason. He consistently makes an ass of himself on talk shows, insulting America in favor of the CPC, using the country as an example for why people's civil liberties should be violated and taken away. He's an active supporter of laws that suppress humanitarian efforts, leaving political activists in indefinite trials. His political commentary can be boiled down to: “Fuck you, I'm famous!” which is why even in the mainland he's been getting shit. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/world ... .html?_r=0 Peoople in HK are actively fighting against Beijin's destruction of people's civil rights, but Jackie? No, it's a good thing. To give some perspective, this would be like if Tim Allen were outwardly supporting the ANP and shouting bigotry at every opportunity, but people in the east being blinded by his movies.
Jackie's own words surmise this very well: “...We Chinese need to be controlled. If we are not being controlled, we'll just do what we want.” - Baoao Forum for Asia, 2009.
I can not emphasize enough how unpopular Chan is becoming day by day, solely due to how he views and treats people in his country:
Do you see celebrities such as Donnie Yen or Chow Yun Fat acting like Jackie? No. In fact, Chow was banned from China for going out to support protesters, people standing up against the ideologies Jackie tries to force onto people. What did Chow say when he was banned? “I'll just make less money.”
http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/28/actor ... -ban-by-ch
His political views become even more hypocritical considering he made most of his living through HK when it operated under British rule, and later in the US, the country he demonizes as a the poster child for why the CPC is correct in its political beliefs. Accordingly Chinese natives shouldn't criticize their government, especially not in front of “outsiders”. Taiwan? According to Jackie, “The biggest joke in the world.”
Jackie's pretty big on family right? Says to treasure them right? Nope. After having an affair with Elaine Ng, he produced an illegitimate daughter in 1999: Etta. He's made a volley of excuses for why he won't support her, but they all translate to one thing: deadbeat dad. He won't take responsibility for his mistakes, not that she's a mistake, but clearly that's how he sees her, which is unfortunate. His affair with Elaine wasn't the only time he hurt his family either. So what about his son Jaycee? Well, Chan said he wishes Will Smith's kid was his son instead. It doesn't take an in-depth understanding of quantum electrodynamics to understand that if treating your son like shit pushes him away, but no, Jackie continually scolds his son in media outlets, more or less saying what a dishonorable degenerate he is. It wasn't until March this year, when his son bent over backwards for him after coming out of prison that he accepted him. Jesus. This is the same guy that lied to his wife to show up to casting, filmed her, and put her in his movie despite her wishes not to be involved. Oh, and he supports the death penalty for drug related charges: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-32620313
The great thing about Bruce was, he was the exact opposite. He was about the freedom of expressing the human body. The guy broke down racial barriers during the 60s, genuinely cared for people's right to learn and study martial arts, and never wanted to hurt 'innocent' people. Why was it Bruce rushed to Jackie's aid during filming of Enter the Dragon, when he thought he injured him (despite the fact he didn't)? Why is it Jackie Chan, post-Shanghai Knights, has purposefully gotten his stuntmen injured and not given a shit about their safety? Why is it so many HK directors won't work with him? In HK there's an occasional tabloid story about Bruce's death, but it passes over relatively quickly, namely due to the fact the guy's seen as a bit of a relic. He's similar to Elvis in this light, being that the younger generation doesn't think too much of him, but the older generations view him as a great treasure (China's pride to quote an old man).
If I had to surmise Jackie's character, I'd let him do it for me:
“Sometimes I really like to see some countries have a disaster coming, or either a big tsunami, or either a big earthquake.” - TVBS, 2013