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Why Toriyama-sensei's art style changed so much...

Post by Periskir » Sat May 16, 2015 2:44 pm

Just WHY? It was personal choice, boredom or editor's pressure??

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat May 16, 2015 2:46 pm

Periskir wrote:Just WHY? It was personal choice, boredom or editor's pressure??
Artists' styles change over time. It's not particularly uncommon.
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Post by Theophrastus » Sat May 16, 2015 3:02 pm

Yeah, it's mostly just a thing that happens naturally over time as an artist's style evolves and becomes more streamlined.

Examples from other series:
One Piece:
http://i.imgur.com/YUpRwVw.jpg

Bleach:
http://i.imgur.com/uwCbOnt.jpg

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Post by Chuquita » Sat May 16, 2015 3:03 pm

I second. It's definitely a normal, subconscious kind of thing. There is an active element of "bored with this, try it this way" in there too.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat May 16, 2015 3:13 pm

Periskir wrote:Just WHY? It was personal choice, boredom or editor's pressure??
It is a combination of boredom and trying to draw fifteen pages a week for nearly twenty years straight.
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat May 16, 2015 3:47 pm

Theophrastus wrote:Yeah, it's mostly just a thing that happens naturally over time as an artist's style evolves and becomes more streamlined.

Examples from other series:
One Piece:
http://i.imgur.com/YUpRwVw.jpg

Bleach:
http://i.imgur.com/uwCbOnt.jpg
Those images seem consistent though, as did Toriyama's style when he drew the manga. Sure, it changed, but it wasn't too much of a departure.

Toriyama's modern art style, however, is DRAMATICALLY different, to the point that it feels like it's someone else drawing these characters...
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat May 16, 2015 3:50 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Theophrastus wrote:Yeah, it's mostly just a thing that happens naturally over time as an artist's style evolves and becomes more streamlined.

Examples from other series:
One Piece:
http://i.imgur.com/YUpRwVw.jpg

Bleach:
http://i.imgur.com/uwCbOnt.jpg
Those images seem consistent though, as did Toriyama's style when he drew the manga. Sure, it changed, but it wasn't too much of a departure.

Toriyama's modern art style, however, is DRAMATICALLY different, to the point that it feels like it's someone else drawing these characters...
Neither of them have a 30 year-old series, though.
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Post by Periskir » Sat May 16, 2015 3:54 pm

Modern style???

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sat May 16, 2015 3:55 pm

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Post by Periskir » Sat May 16, 2015 4:00 pm

I used to believe that last style chang of Toriyama-sensei occured around the end of the Cell Games.

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Post by emperior » Sat May 16, 2015 5:35 pm

It's been 20 years he hasn't drawn Dragon Ball characters.
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Post by Mewzard » Sat May 16, 2015 5:58 pm

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure debut cover in WSJ (1987):

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Debut of Part 8: Jojolion in Ultra Jump:

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Hell, here's a modern cover for a reprint of the 80s Material:

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Art styles can change, but honestly, Toriyama's hasn't changed as much as some artists.
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Post by Dyno » Sat May 16, 2015 6:02 pm

I don't think Toriyama's art changed so much, he just can't make the characters "normal" anymore, his art skills now is to make them skinny. Toriyama's art can still be pretty well acknowledge in anywhere you see it.

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Post by Periskir » Sat May 16, 2015 6:06 pm

What do you mean "normal" Always Toriyama-sensei's style was "personal" cartoon-like in some cases.

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Post by B » Sat May 16, 2015 6:17 pm

I would be interested in seeing Toriyama draw Slump characters these days if anyone ever bothered to ask him to do that. Now that is change in style, even to something as early as the Saiyan arc.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat May 16, 2015 6:26 pm

The style of an artist always change over the years. It's nothing out of the ordinary, especially for a long running series like Dragon Ball.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat May 16, 2015 6:41 pm

B wrote:I would be interested in seeing Toriyama draw Slump characters these days if anyone ever bothered to ask him to do that. Now that is change in style, even to something as early as the Saiyan arc.
He did draw Arale with Goku in 2011 in support of Japan after the devastating tsunami.

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Post by Dayspring » Sat May 16, 2015 10:10 pm

Not wanting style changes over time? Have you people not seen pics of his earliest works? I love me some Toriyama, but that stuff's just horribad.
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Re: Why Toriyama-sensei's art style changed so much...

Post by Flame Dragon » Sun May 17, 2015 9:07 am

I don't like when he makes everyone look anorexic. Thankfully it looks like he's backtracking a bit on that with the RoF manga.

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