Is "Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!" canon?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Anybody else wish that the series should have been left the fuck alone with the exception of Kai?

[VegettoEX]

Anybody else wish that the series should have been left the fuck alone with the exception of Kai?

A well-written rephrasing of this question is certainly a topic for discussion, but not necessarily here in this thread.

[FoolsGil]

In hindsight, making Ado and Cado remnants of the PTO wasn't the best idea. But even with them apparently going AWOL, there's nothing to say the story contradicts anything else. Tarble is even name dropped in BoG.

[Hellspawn28]

You guys seem to forget that the people on Earth in Super remembers Buu while the people on Earth in the 2008 Jump Special do. Can anyone one try to explain that?

Anything beyond the source material is as "canon" as you want it to be.

So can make DBE canon if I want too? That's the biggest issue with no official canon. We don't need a official canon to know what fits into the main continuity of the show.

[Kamiccolo9]

You guys seem to forget that the people on Earth in Super remembers Buu while the people on Earth in the 2008 Jump Special do. Can anyone one try to explain that?

Anything beyond the source material is as "canon" as you want it to be.

So can make DBE canon if I want too? That's the biggest issue with no official canon. We don't need a official canon to know what fits into the main continuity of the show.

I'd say that's just an inconsistency with Super or the special, although I'd need to know the context to be sure. It's not like the franchise is unfamiliar with that, such as the anime acknowledging movie one, despite the minor contradictions it has with the first episode of Z.

[Sayo-chan]

You guys seem to forget that the people on Earth in Super remembers Buu while the people on Earth in the 2008 Jump Special do. Can anyone one try to explain that?

Anything beyond the source material is as "canon" as you want it to be.

So can make DBE canon if I want too? That's the biggest issue with no official canon. We don't need a official canon to know what fits into the main continuity of the show.

If you want DBE to be cannon to you, so be it. I don't know why you would though. The main continuity as far as I'm concerned is the source material, that's it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Anything beyond the source material is as "canon" as you want it to be.

So can make DBE canon if I want too? That's the biggest issue with no official canon. We don't need a official canon to know what fits into the main continuity of the show.

This could have been an acceptable way to look at it a few years ago, but how do you even begin to use that sort of logic now? What counts as the main continuity: the manga or the anime? Manga? Okay then, which version: Jump serialization, tankobon, kanzenban, full color? Once you sort that out, what about the expanded universe material set "after" that? We have a plethora of content that is now marketed as a continuation of the series (be it prequel or sequel), but most of it contradicts something else. Who do you give the authority to and how do they determine which contradictions are minor enough to toss it into the "main continuity"? You certainly can't leave it up to all fans to decide together, because we pretty much can't agree on anything other than the fact that the franchise exists.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Oh shit! Sorry all! Just rewatched Super episode 1 and it seems like everything is in order with Yo! taking place 2 years after Buu and Super/BoG taking place 2 years after Yo! I guess the subs I watched a month ago weren't super accurate. Yo! is canon, sorry to waste all your time with my stupidity

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Toriyama wrote it's orginal draft script, which is also what he is doing for Super (or will do, after the FnF arc), and Tarble was referenced in BoG. So yes, it's most likely "canon".

[Marco Polo]

Toriyama wrote it's orginal draft script, which is also what he is doing for Super (or will do, after the FnF arc), and Tarble was referenced in BoG. So yes, it's most likely "canon".

Well the first part of Super is a retelling of BoG, whose original draft script was written by Toei.

[SaintEvolution]

Toriyama wrote it's orginal draft script, which is also what he is doing for Super (or will do, after the FnF arc), and Tarble was referenced in BoG. So yes, it's most likely "canon".

Just like it.

But I want to see if they will reference Tarble in Dragon Ball Super. It they would, that OVA will be 100% in the new chronology.

[Mystic Tien]

Toriyama wrote it's orginal draft script, which is also what he is doing for Super (or will do, after the FnF arc), and Tarble was referenced in BoG. So yes, it's most likely "canon".

Just like it.

But I want to see if they will reference Tarble in Dragon Ball Super. It they would, that OVA will be 100% in the new chronology.

Well, not exactly. Toriyama already referenced Bardock in his manga once, yet we know how all of this ended.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well, not exactly. Toriyama already referenced Bardock in his manga once, yet we know how all of this ended.

It's not the same. Toriyama didn't just reference Bardock, he also briefly explained his story (the manga shows that he was the Saiyan that stood against Freeza & died along with his planet, and resembles Goku), while with Tarble, he is just mentioned, not even by name. There is also another difference, Toriyama had no involvement with the story of the TV Special, while he was involved with the story of the JSAT (he wrote its original draft script, and assisted Ooishi in writting the manga adaptation).

[Mystic Tien]

Well, not exactly. Toriyama already referenced Bardock in his manga once, yet we know how all of this ended.

It's not the same. Toriyama didn't just reference Bardock, he also briefly explained his story (the manga shows that he was the Saiyan that stood against Freeza & died along with his planet, and resembles Goku), while with Tarble, he is just mentioned, not even by name. There is also another difference, Toriyama had no involvement with the story of the TV Special, while he was involved with the story of the JSAT (he wrote its original draft script, and assisted Ooishi in writting the manga adaptation).

Well, this is exactly my point. Bardock even got a scene of him similar to what was depicted in Bardock: Father of Goku, yet Toriyama changed everything about him in Dragon Ball Minus, and Tarble wasn't even mentioned by a name. Toriyama can completely change everything about this character, heck, he may even make him look differently and have another name.

Yeah, but Toriyama was the one who redraw the design of Bardock, created by Toei's staff. Did Toriyama contribute anything to design of Tarble, or anything else, related to him?

[Marco Polo]

Curiously Tarble looks very different in the manga adaptation. He looks like Vegeta except his hair goes to the side instead of pointing upwards. He seems a bit taller than the movie version.

Spoiler:

[DBZGTKOSDH]

[quote="Mystic Tien"Well, this is exactly my point. Bardock even got a scene of him similar to what was depicted in Bardock: Father of Goku, yet Toriyama changed everything about him in Dragon Ball Minus, and Tarble wasn't even mentioned by a name. Toriyama can completely change everything about this character, heck, he may even make him look differently and have another name.[/quote]
He didn't change anything from the Bardock we saw in the manga though.

But yeah, it's certainly possible that we may suddenly see a new version of Tarble's story by Toriyama, though I find it extremely unlikely at this point. But until that happens, the JSAT is the only version we have to go by.

Yeah, but Toriyama was the one who redraw the design of Bardock, created by Toei's staff. Did Toriyama contribute anything to design of Tarble, or anything else, related to him?

No from what we know, he only wrote the original draft script of the special. He also supervised & gave advices to Ooishi while she was adapting it into a manga.

[Mystic Tien]

He didn't change anything from the Bardock we saw in the manga though..

But Bardock didn't appear in the manga firstly. He appeared originally in Bardock: Father of Goku.

But yeah, it's certainly possible that we may suddenly see a new version of Tarble's story by Toriyama, though I find it extremely unlikely at this point. But until that happens, the JSAT is the only version we have to go by.

No from what we know, he only wrote the original draft script of the special. He also supervised & gave advices to Ooishi while she was adapting it into a manga.

Well, I guess we don't know from what to go here then. It can be that he was involved, and it can be that he wasn't.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But Bardock didn't appear in the manga firstly. He appeared originally in Bardock: Father of Goku.

Doesn't matter. What we saw in the manga is what happened in the manga, and was expanded in Minus. The TV Special only acted as an inspiration for Bardock's story in the manga, and the design was Toriyama's.

Well, I guess we don't know from what to go here then. It can be that he was involved, and it can be that he wasn't.

Toriyama will write the original draft scripts for Super when it gets to the U6 arc, just like he did with the JSAT, so, it seems they are on the same level. And since Toriyama seems to consider U6 arc a story of his, I assume that he does the same for the JSAT (most likely the manga version, since he was more involved & liked it more), which is why he had a reference of it in BoG.

[Mystic Tien]

But Bardock didn't appear in the manga firstly. He appeared originally in Bardock: Father of Goku.

Doesn't matter. What we saw in the manga is what happened in the manga, and was expanded in Minus. The TV Special only acted as an inspiration for Bardock's story in the manga, and the design was Toriyama's.

Well, I guess we don't know from what to go here then. It can be that he was involved, and it can be that he wasn't.

Toriyama will write the original draft scripts for Super when it gets to the U6 arc, just like he did with the JSAT, so, it seems they are on the same level. And since Toriyama seems to consider U6 arc a story of his, I assume that he does the same for the JSAT (most likely the manga version, since he was more involved & liked it more), which is why he had a reference of it in BoG.

But this is what I am speaking about. Tarble's special (manga version) may also become an inspiration for Toriyama to include Tarble in Super, a new movie or something else.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But this is what I am speaking about. Tarble's special (manga version) may also become an inspiration for Toriyama to include Tarble in Super, a new movie or something else.

That's true, it is possible that we may see a new version of his story. But we haven't so far, and the JSAT had Toriyama's involvement, unlike the TV Special, so until a new version happens (if ever), we can take the JSAT into account.