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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:47 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:To probably make his name easier to say. The bigger question is why Freeza became Fr(i)eza. What was the point of switching an "e" with an "i" when it's pronounced the same in both languages?
The spelling makes sense..... IN GERMAN!!! The word "die" is pronounced as "'dee" and is equivalent to the English word "the," while "drei" (which means "three" in German) is pronounced as "drigh."
Unless Freeza is pronounced differently in German, I can't think of the reason why would they change the name. But, that's for German. I can't think of any reason for the English version other than translation error.
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Avenged » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:02 am

RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:
Avenged wrote:It wasn't exactly changed. It's just the same translation as Zelda is originally Zeruda and Link is Rinku.
but those are just Link and Zelda run through Japanese accents. They were always supposed to be "Zelda" and "Link" not "Rinku" and "Zeruda", they just end up that way with the Japanese's hatred of the letter "L".
I still think the whole Kuririn spelling is the same case, atleast to some degree. Zelda being spelled Zeruda as a pronunciation seems like Kuririn was the same case.

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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by B » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:38 pm

Avenged wrote:I still think the whole Kuririn spelling is the same case, atleast to some degree.
The pun is not apparent when it comes to the "Krillin" spelling; "Zelda" and "Link" don't have that going on.

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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:46 pm

As (highly, almost certainly) unintentional as this is, "Krillin" does have a pun of its own going on. Krill are small fish, so one could still think of it (loosely) as a pun on Kuririn's--or, perhaps more appropriately here, Krillin's--short height.
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:54 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:As (highly, almost certainly) unintentional as this is, "Krillin" does have a pun of its own going on. Krill are small fish, so one could still think of it (loosely) as a pun on Kuririn's--or, perhaps more appropriately here, Krillin's--short height.
Same thing with Jheese.

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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by VegettoEX » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:58 pm

Pokewhiz7 wrote:Same thing with Jheese.

Jheese -> Cheese
Jeice -> Juice
I honestly find this a huge stretch, especially since I see so many people end up writing his name as "Chase" because it's unintelligible.

Same thing goes with the stretch of "Turles" making its own pun on "turnip". No... it really doesn't! :)
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Herms » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:13 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:As (highly, almost certainly) unintentional as this is, "Krillin" does have a pun of its own going on. Krill are small fish, so one could still think of it (loosely) as a pun on Kuririn's--or, perhaps more appropriately here, Krillin's--short height.
As it happens, that's basically what Jaco's name is a pun on. Small fish, that is.
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:40 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I honestly find this a huge stretch, especially since I see so many people end up writing his name as "Chase" because it's unintelligible.

Same thing goes with the stretch of "Turles" making its own pun on "turnip". No... it really doesn't! :)
It is a stretch, granted, but in my defense, FUNimation/whoever was responsible for the script of Budokai Tenkaichi 3 thought it was close enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgNzd5y ... u.be&t=558

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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Puto » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:18 am

VegettoEX wrote:
Pokewhiz7 wrote:Same thing with Jheese.

Jheese -> Cheese
Jeice -> Juice
I honestly find this a huge stretch, especially since I see so many people end up writing his name as "Chase" because it's unintelligible.
If anything, if I heard it without any writing to guide me I'd feel tempted to write it "Jace".
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Avenged » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:58 am

So is it not possible that it was spelled Kuririn due to pronunciation? We all know how "l" and "r" get mistranslated all the time, not only in anime but games.
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by OutlawTorn » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:15 am

I think "Kuririn/Krillin" being a matter of pronunciation is fair, especially as a non-Japanese speaker would have difficulty forming the words. I should add that just because "x" can say it properly does not mean "y" can, and that applies to saying words from any language. Take, for instance, Gewürztraminer. Once person could do a passable pronunciation whereas the next may not be able to wrap their tongue around it (a "w" is not really expected to make a "v" sound) and mangle it horribly. Then there is the issue of stressed syllables, as it is likely most English speakers would stress the middle syllable producing Ku-RI-rin, which is just awkward to say and would likely be like running nails down a chalkboard to the unforgiving fanbase who know how to pronounce it. Long before I ever heard it spoken aloud, I would have stressed the middle syllable of "Naruto" which, I've heard would make many people cringe.

Even if you know how to pronounce it, it may still trip you up when trying to say it out loud, I know it often does for me. It's like how my mom has trouble with the pronunciation of "Claude" which does not rhyme with "clawed." Even though she's heard it rhyming with "glowed" it still trips her up whenever she tries to say it and can come out with "Cloud."
Avenged wrote:Heres the cover to Zelda 1 in JP
But the cover doesn't spell anything related to "Zelda" in English, unlike the "Hyrule Fantasy" (why doesn't it say Hairaru Fantaji when that's how it would be pronounced by Japanese speakers?) bit. As best as I understand, there are specific sounds the kanji represent and writing them out would get the Ze-ru-da pronunciation. In the top right it even says "ZEL" as opposed to "ZER"

It's just like "Doragon Boru" which is the Japanese pronunciation for "Dragon Ball" (there's that "ru" sound from "Zeruda").

But... considering how late it is, it's entirely possible I misinterpreted your post. Did I make any sense, or did I think you were saying the opposite of what you were really saying and was, therefore, arguing your point?

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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Avenged » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:17 am

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Avenged wrote:Heres the cover to Zelda 1 in JP
But the cover doesn't spell anything related to "Zelda" in English, unlike the "Hyrule Fantasy" (why doesn't it say Hairaru Fantaji when that's how it would be pronounced by Japanese speakers?) bit. As best as I understand, there are specific sounds the kanji represent and writing them out would get the Ze-ru-da pronunciation. In the top right it even says "ZEL" as opposed to "ZER"

It's just like "Doragon Boru" which is the Japanese pronunciation for "Dragon Ball" (there's that "ru" sound from "Zeruda").

But... considering how late it is, it's entirely possible I misinterpreted your post. Did I make any sense, or did I think you were saying the opposite of what you were really saying and was, therefore, arguing your point?
Yeah I was just simply comparing the two franchises in terms of pronunciation. To me, it just seems it was spelled Kuririn due to pronunciation and the obvious JP hatred for the letter L. I could be wrong, havn't researched it specifically.
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Gonstead » Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:05 am

Puto wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:
Pokewhiz7 wrote:Same thing with Jheese.

Jheese -> Cheese
Jeice -> Juice
I honestly find this a huge stretch, especially since I see so many people end up writing his name as "Chase" because it's unintelligible.
If anything, if I heard it without any writing to guide me I'd feel tempted to write it "Jace".
To add on to the many spellings, we have Jayce and The Wheeled Warriors as an official spelling of the name, though non-DB example of course.
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by SaintEvolution » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:28 pm

Again, not only the Funimation or other english dubs did that. But many others like the french for example.



But by the way, I prefer the "Kuririn" pronounce.

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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by The Time Traveller » Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:37 pm

You guys gotta realise that if they left it as Kuririn, they didn't have access to the original audio so it's likely they'd call him Curry-rin. They pronounced Saiyan, Kaio-Ken and Dr. Gero waaaaaay differently compared to the original, there's no way they'd get Kuririn right.

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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Avery » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:42 pm

Kuririn, Kurilin, Kulirin, Kulilin, Kririn, Krilin, Klirin, Klilin are all correct. Not a big deal.

I usually type it "Kuririn" and sometimes "Krillin", but always pronunce it "Kulilin" because I can't pronounce the R's correctly :oops:
Btw, was "Blooma --> Bulma" a misspelling or an intended play on the word?
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by UltimateHammerBro » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:27 pm

Avery wrote:Kuririn, Kurilin, Kulirin, Kulilin, Kririn, Krilin, Klirin, Klilin are all correct. Not a big deal.
I've also seen "Klilyn" :lol:
Avery wrote:Btw, was "Blooma --> Bulma" a misspelling or an intended play on the word?
I always thought that maybe Toriyama didn't really care about it.
He made a pun which worked in Japanese, then romanised it the way he thought best, without taking into account if the romanisation preserved the pun in English. I find it really unlikely that he thought that DB would be read outside Japan.
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Re: Why did Funi change Kuririn to "Krillin"

Post by Adamant » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:33 pm

Pokewhiz7 wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:I honestly find this a huge stretch, especially since I see so many people end up writing his name as "Chase" because it's unintelligible.

Same thing goes with the stretch of "Turles" making its own pun on "turnip". No... it really doesn't! :)
It is a stretch, granted, but in my defense, FUNimation/whoever was responsible for the script of Budokai Tenkaichi 3 thought it was close enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgNzd5y ... u.be&t=558

Which is probably because the original script said "cheese" and the translator had to come up with SOMETHING that sort-of fit Funi's bizarre-ass spelling, not because anyone actually thought it could be a pun on that.
Avery wrote: Btw, was "Blooma --> Bulma" a misspelling or an intended play on the word?
Either a stylistic choice or a misspelling. ブルマ isn't a play on any word, it literally IS the word. Toriyama thinks in Japanese and presumably doesn't consider r and l to be all that different from each other.
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