Did Spopovitch Fight Mr. Satan?

[Gaffer Tape]

You know how sometimes you do your best to keep from conflating different continuities together, but somehow it just happens despite your best efforts? Well, I'm watching Z episode 216 right now, and it talks about how Spopovitch lost to Mr. Satan at the 24th Budoukai. The Dragon Book plays it up as well, and I definitely remember the TV series adding a flashback to it at some point in the near future. But while I know that flashback was anime-only, I could have sworn the actual information was in the manga, but I can't find any allusion to it anywhere. Viz just has the announcer say, while introducing Spopovitch, that he competed and lost but didn't give any details as to who. Is that a bit of lost info from Viz, or is it just info that doesn't exist in the manga, period?

[Shnuki]

I think it doesn't exist, yeah. I checked the Polish edition of the manga and Mr. Satan doesn't even seem to know him (at first he thought it might've been Gohan who beat Videl up) and just assures his daughter that he'll beat Spopovitch later.

[Kid Buu]

Daizenshuu 2 has a list of all the Battles in the series, including ones that don't involve the Z-Fighters like Tao Pai Pai verse Bora, and it has no mention of it. Even in the description of Videl's fight with Spopovitch, there was no mention of him having a past with her father.

[Herms]

It is indeed something added in the anime. In the manga it's just noted that he lost in the first round of the last tournament.

[LordCrumb]

It's a nice addition to the Anime, as it shows the power that the Majin possession can unleash... and an extra Mr Satan scene is always welcome imo

[B]

It is indeed something added in the anime. In the manga it's just noted that he lost in the first round of the last tournament.

So, in that case, does that make the flashback scene in the anime a bit nonsensical? Doesn't Mr. Satan automatically qualify for the final round as champion(and thus wouldn't be fighting at all until the end), or am I also conflating continuities/dubs? Does the anime remove that bit of first-round loss info and replace it with "lost to Mr. Satan in indeterminable round"?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So, in that case, does that make the flashback scene in the anime a bit nonsensical? Doesn't Mr. Satan automatically qualify for the final round as champion(and thus wouldn't be fighting at all until the end), or am I also conflating continuities/dubs? Does the anime remove that bit of first-round loss info and replace it with "lost to Mr. Satan in indeterminable round"?

That's only introduced (that we see) at the End of Z, during the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai. Back at the 25th, during Buu, he has to fight like everyone else and was scheduled to face 18 before the tournament collapsed and they resorted to the battle royal.

[Angelus]

It is indeed something added in the anime. In the manga it's just noted that he lost in the first round of the last tournament.

Well damn, he didn't even pass the preliminaries then. XD

[irreality]

It is indeed something added in the anime. In the manga it's just noted that he lost in the first round of the last tournament.

Well damn, he didn't even pass the preliminaries then. XD

I assumed first round meant the first public round (did they use punch machines in the unseen tournament or not?), not the first prelim round, but I could be wrong.

[Herms]

I assumed first round meant the first public round (did they use punch machines in the unseen tournament or not?), not the first prelim round, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, should be first round of the main tournament. Videl talks about Mister Satan having set a long-standing punch machine record of 139 (while at that current tournament he only manages 137), so presumably they started using the punch machine back at the unseen tournament.

[TheGreatness25]

I'm always a little bothered by something - 24th Tenkaichi Budokai? Goku won the 23rd (it was the 23rd right?) and supposedly that was the last one until the Cell Games. However, Mr. Satan is already some sort of World Champion. Okay, fine, he's a "martial arts" champion, not necessarily a Tenkaichi Budokai winner. Then, we fast forward to seven years later and suddenly there's another one. Now yeah, the 24th Tenkaichi Budokai could have happened in the seven year gap, but why in the blue hell didn't Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamucha, or even Yajirobe enter it and just beat Mr. Satan? Surely they would have, right? There's zero reason for them not to enter, especially since the Saiyans sat it out. If the Saiyans didn't sit it out, then... yeah.

I was always bothered by this supposed 24th Tenkaichi Budokai.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The announcer, in the Buu Arc, states that the last tournament was 7 years prior, and the supplemental timelines always stick the tournaments on the same day (May 7th). Cell believed the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai was the last one before he announced his tournament, but the 24th was officially held 5 days before 19 and 20 show up. Our heroes had more important things on their minds.

[Herms]

During the Boo arc the last tournament is said to have been seven years ago, and of course the Cell Games are also said to be seven years ago, so it seems that the Cell Games and 24th tournament must have happened fairly close to one another. Cell talks about "reviving" the TB with his Cell Games, but he's from a couple decades in the future and wouldn't necessarily know the status of the tournament in the present era. So overall, it seems like in the Boo arc Toriyama's intention is to retcon things so that the reason Satan was known as the "world champion" back at the Cell Games was because he had recently won the TB.

As for why none of the Z Warriors entered the 24th TB, I guess they just lost track of the tournament after all those years, or maybe were no longer interested.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yeah, should be first round of the main tournament. Videl talks about Mister Satan having set a long-standing punch machine record of 139 (while at that current tournament he only manages 137), so presumably they started using the punch machine back at the unseen tournament.

When does Videl say that? I don't recall that in either the manga or the anime.

[Herms]

When does Videl say that? I don't recall that in either the manga or the anime.

Start of chapter 432 (should be DBZ chapter 238). Videl tells Gohan about the amazing group who all scored around 200 despite her dad's high record since "way back" being 139...then Goku comes over to greet Gohan, who has to explain to Videl about his dad being dead but back for one day.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

As for why none of the Z Warriors entered the 24th TB, I guess they just lost track of the tournament after all those years, or maybe were no longer interested.

I don't think they were interested, even in the 25th TB, they all joined because Gohan told them, who was forced by Videl, and in the 28th TB, they all joined because Goku told them, who joined because of Oob.

[Polyphase Avatron]

It is indeed something added in the anime. In the manga it's just noted that he lost in the first round of the last tournament.

Yet another thing Death Battle got wrong, then...