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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by precita » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:33 pm

GT is no longer in the mainline canon, its now like the movies. You can consider it canon if you wish, but its more like an alternate universe.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:53 pm

precita wrote:GT is no longer in the mainline canon, its now like the movies. You can consider it canon if you wish, but its more like an alternate universe.

GT fits with Toei's ball and Z

super fits with kai

the 2 films fit with jaco and the manga... .

rows 2 and 3 can switch a little if you want but that makes the most sense. As super doesn't seam to be something that takes place in the same universe as garlic jr and cooler....

GT- main canon (anime canon)

kai and super-modern anime canon

manga-original canon.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:18 pm

Someone being out of character in DBS.
Lore is NOT story, and it never was, and you should stop spreading this nonsense.
Content is NOT substance.
Bunch of characters doing stuff do NOT make an esemble cast.
Secondary characters are secondary, they do NOT deserve or are entitled to having more screen time.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:03 pm

It's easily "everyone but Goku (and sometimes Vegeta) was useless in Z!". Though that stereotype seems to be becoming true as of recently.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:31 pm

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by baneofdemon22 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:36 pm

@Gyt Kaliba I think you mean to post that in this thread:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=32453

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:40 pm

baneofdemon22 wrote:@Gyt Kaliba I think you mean to post that in this thread:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=32453
...Indeed I did. :oops: This is what I get for posting when someone's yakking at me, my bad.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by baneofdemon22 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:52 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:
baneofdemon22 wrote:@Gyt Kaliba I think you mean to post that in this thread:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=32453
...Indeed I did. :oops: This is what I get for posting when someone's yakking at me, my bad.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:51 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:
precita wrote:GT is no longer in the mainline canon, its now like the movies. You can consider it canon if you wish, but its more like an alternate universe.

GT fits with Toei's ball and Z

super fits with kai

the 2 films fit with jaco and the manga... .

rows 2 and 3 can switch a little if you want but that makes the most sense. As super doesn't seam to be something that takes place in the same universe as garlic jr and cooler....

GT- main canon (anime canon)

kai and super-modern anime canon

manga-original canon.
That's your opinion, man, every fan has his own headcanon (or in your case multiple) but the vast majority of fans don't accept GT as canon.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by s841 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:38 am

The dub being 150% unwatchable.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:22 am

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LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:
precita wrote:GT is no longer in the mainline canon, its now like the movies. You can consider it canon if you wish, but its more like an alternate universe.

GT fits with Toei's ball and Z

super fits with kai

the 2 films fit with jaco and the manga... .

rows 2 and 3 can switch a little if you want but that makes the most sense. As super doesn't seam to be something that takes place in the same universe as garlic jr and cooler....

GT- main canon (anime canon)

kai and super-modern anime canon

manga-original canon.
That's your opinion, man, every fan has his own headcanon (or in your case multiple) but the vast majority of fans don't accept GT as canon.

the vast majority actually love GT,it's just online for the past few years it's the "cool" thing to bash GT. People feel some need to loo kcool and say GT isn't canon if you even mention ssj4. And the fact of the matter is canon=continuity according to the creators,so its not my opinion that GT is canon to ball and Z,its the sequel to em,unless toei says super is canon to Z and retcon GT,then GT stays canon. My opinion might be about super fitting in with kai,maybe the made it for the manga or not to connect with anything and be its own universe,but the manga being the original canon is a fact,it was the first one made.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Doctor. » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:23 am

Ever since Super started airing, I feel like fans have forgotten just how bad GT is. I think they've been exaggerating its quality just a tiny bit.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by ChahikoDBZ » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:45 am

Definitely Broly's power and Kuririn "dying all the time".
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:02 am

Doctor. wrote:Ever since Super started airing, I feel like fans have forgotten just how bad GT is. I think they've been exaggerating its quality just a tiny bit.

I think people exaggerate how bad GT is,it's got the least amount of plot holes,best pacing,and didn't spam the broken over used formula from Z.

I also think to many people are defending super no matter how much it messes up. People act like super is flawless or look for flaws with a much larger and older Z to justify super's faults. I mean its fine to like super but it IS the first DB series animated so.....OMFG the colors! I"M BLIND!
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Doctor. » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:11 am

It's got the most amount of plot holes considering the number of episodes it has and the WORST pacing, what are you talking about?

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by The Monkey King » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:08 am

ChahikoDBZ wrote:Definitely Broly's power and Kuririn "dying all the time".
To be fair counting GT Krillin died 4 times.

There are very few fictional characters that have died 4 times or more.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:11 am

Four times out of 500+ episodes though, isn't really as high of a count as it sounds. Especially not when the main character of the entire franchise dies twice himself.

Well, that and his third time is when practically everyone dies, so can we really even fairly count that one against him? :P
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Wezenheim » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:00 pm

Doctor. wrote:It's got the most amount of plot holes considering the number of episodes it has and the WORST pacing, what are you talking about?
Especially the start of GT. Wasn't there like a 5-10 episode gap of pure nothingness after Ledgic? I like GT okay, don't get me wrong, but outside of the main arc episodes, it was very boring to watch.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by ChahikoDBZ » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:20 pm

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ChahikoDBZ wrote:Definitely Broly's power and Kuririn "dying all the time".
To be fair counting GT Krillin died 4 times.

There are very few fictional characters that have died 4 times or more.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by AnzuMazaki » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:52 pm

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