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Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Wezenheim » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:08 am

This is a topic that kind of popped into my head while I was watching episode 21 of Super. I thought it was a great episode and the art overall was pretty fine, but I thought that the animation itself was pretty dull and slow. We've seen the opposite of this in Super before: episode 14. Episode 14 had some good animation and Goku's fight with Beerus was actually enjoyable to watch, but the art was pretty darn bad in some cases to the point where it was almost distracting. Episode 14 as a whole was still good though. Episode 11 is the one of the better combinations of good art and animation that we've had so far, and even though it's a pipe dream, I wish all the episodes could be like that. There were examples of this in the earlier Dragon Ball anime as well. If you had to say which bugs you more, would it be bad art or bad animation?

Personally, I'd say bad animation is a bit worse for me. I at least want the art to be bearable, but I think I'd rather have more fluid animation. I don't know if this topic has been done before, so if it has I apologize.

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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Hero » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:16 am

Wezenheim wrote:This is a topic that kind of popped into my head while I was watching episode 21 of Super. I thought it was a great episode and the art overall was pretty fine, but I thought that the animation itself was pretty dull and slow. We've seen the opposite of this in Super before: episode 14. Episode 14 had some good animation and Goku's fight with Beerus was actually enjoyable to watch, but the art was pretty darn bad in some cases to the point where it was almost distracting. Episode 14 as a whole was still good though. Episode 11 is the one of the better combinations of good art and animation that we've had so far, and even though it's a pipe dream, I wish all the episodes could be like that. There were examples of this in the earlier Dragon Ball anime as well. If you had to say which bugs you more, would it be bad art or bad animation?

Personally, I'd say bad animation is a bit worse for me. I at least want the art to be bearable, but I think I'd rather have more fluid animation. I don't know if this topic has been done before, so if it has I apologize.
When it comes to action, I'd take bad art and good animation since I want the fluid motions and speed that only great animation can give. For regular, talking scenes I'd take good art and bad animation since we're mostly just staring at the characters.

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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Wezenheim » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:19 am

Hero wrote:
Wezenheim wrote:This is a topic that kind of popped into my head while I was watching episode 21 of Super. I thought it was a great episode and the art overall was pretty fine, but I thought that the animation itself was pretty dull and slow. We've seen the opposite of this in Super before: episode 14. Episode 14 had some good animation and Goku's fight with Beerus was actually enjoyable to watch, but the art was pretty darn bad in some cases to the point where it was almost distracting. Episode 14 as a whole was still good though. Episode 11 is the one of the better combinations of good art and animation that we've had so far, and even though it's a pipe dream, I wish all the episodes could be like that. There were examples of this in the earlier Dragon Ball anime as well. If you had to say which bugs you more, would it be bad art or bad animation?

Personally, I'd say bad animation is a bit worse for me. I at least want the art to be bearable, but I think I'd rather have more fluid animation. I don't know if this topic has been done before, so if it has I apologize.
When it comes to action, I'd take bad art and good animation since I want the fluid motions and speed that only great animation can give. For regular, talking scenes I'd take good art and bad animation since we're mostly just staring at the characters.
Good point, I agree.

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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Doctor. » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:01 am

Bad art. I cannot, cannot, absolutely cannot stand when a character is off-model. Yes, it's absolutely necessary and I don't mind it at all for in-between frames, but when a character is off-model for the entire episode, it just makes me cringe. I was slightly irate for this reason during episode 14 of Super despite the animation being very fluid. Of course that bad animation with good art is bad too, I just think it's less annoying. Even worse is when both are bad (episode 5 *cough*)

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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:19 am

Won't bad writing be worst then both overall?
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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Wezenheim » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:28 am

Doctor. wrote:Bad art. I cannot, cannot, absolutely cannot stand when a character is off-model. Yes, it's absolutely necessary and I don't mind it at all for in-between frames, but when a character is off-model for the entire episode, it just makes me cringe. I was slightly irate for this reason during episode 14 of Super despite the animation being very fluid. Of course that bad animation with good art is bad too, I just think it's less annoying. Even worse is when both are bad (episode 5 *cough*)
Very valid points. I think its the worst when characters are off model when they aren't even moving. There have been several shots of that in Super so far and it just irks me.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Won't bad writing be worst then both overall?
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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:33 am

Bad animation is bad animation. Off-model characters merely do not reflect the character models. That's not a big issue, because off-model animation does not mean bad animation. On-model animation that doesn't move interestingly is simply boring.
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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:44 am

Bad animation. I can live with bad art but good art don't mean shit when the thing flows like shit (I.E. MD Geist II).
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Post by dougo13 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:48 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Won't bad writing be worst then both overall?
+1

Bad story always trumps the other 2...

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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:54 am

Bad animation can't ruin a good story but it can sure ruin a TV show or film.
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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Cipher » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:34 am

Bad animation.

I'll happily, happily take off-model or loosely modeled characters for more fluid action.

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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Khin » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:38 am

same as what others say here,bad animation is definitely more worse,i dont like characters moving so weird and slow.

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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:41 am

JulieYBM wrote:Bad animation can't ruin a good story but it can sure ruin a TV show or film.
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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Doctor. » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:45 am

Wezenheim wrote:Very valid points. I think its the worst when characters are off model when they aren't even moving. There have been several shots of that in Super so far and it just irks me.
It's especially aggravating if you're like me and adore Yamamuro's designs and have to see them get butchered from week to week.

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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:51 am

Bad animation. I can take ugly art if the animation and choreography are great. Heck you can make 2 stick figures look friggin awesome with some sick ass animation. Though Super has alright art, but boring animation.
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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by Lookerman » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:05 am

It depends on the scene, but usually I'd rather my characters to both move smoothly and not look like the failing project in a fifth grade art fair.
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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:19 am

To me the animation is everything on screen,that's how it is for most people. By art do you mean being on model and good designs?

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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by rereboy » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:45 am

Bad art is far worse than bad animation. Something can be flawlessly animated but if the art looks bad overall everything ends up looking bad.

In short, great art with bad animation has awkward movements and transitions, while bad art with good animation just looks bad overall.

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Post by B » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:02 am

Bad animation. Just look at any Shin chan movie. That series is intentionally crude-looking, though. Or, hell, a rough English equivalent would be South Park.

What is "bad art" at the end of the day anyway? How a character looks when they're just standing there, like Lupin Vegeta or dead-eyes Super Saiyan Goku? Based on the myriad of screenshots I've seen. Super has close to none of this.
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Re: Which is worse to you: bad art or bad animation?

Post by rereboy » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:42 am

B wrote:
What is "bad art" at the end of the day anyway?
Bad art is something that you find aesthetically unpleasant (aka looks bad to you).

That's why bad art is worse than bad animation. It doesn't matter much if the animation is good (aka if the movements and transitions are good) is you really don't like what you are seeing.

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