Sources on Kuririn being the strongest human

[ShadowDude112]

Just wondering if Kanzenshuu has any sources to Kuririn being the strongest human and what specific pages I can find them on. I need them for an argument. Preferably more than one so I can show that Toiryama has been saying that for years.

[Akira]

Dragonball Manga Volume 37 (Or Viz "Z" Manga Volume 21) Page 95.

There's the factual statement from Toriyama via Yamcha within the pages of the original source material. Anyone who says to the contrary just wants to argue because it doesn't jive with what they want to believe. Forget guidebooks or anything else, they can be inconsistent with the manga at times.

Why argue anyway? There's a guy I work with that insists Broly is the strongest character in the manga. A movie only character who appears nowhere else really besides video games for fan service. He's backed by all kinds of sources he claims to have read. Yet I have all 42 volumes of the original source material, and I've never seen Broly anywhere within. Some arguments just aren't worth having man, but good luck anyway, I gave you the best direct quote. If you still encounter resistance after that, I strongly suggest you just let them think what they want to think.

[Majin Jator]

It's never stated via scouter, or any other objective source, right?
I mean, Yamcha could be just reassuring Marron. In the saiyan saga is stated that Tien Shinhan is the strongest of the humans, he spent more time training with King Kai that any other character, and he certainly seems to be the strongest in later sagas.
Of course, you could argue if he is human or not...

[Kamiccolo9]

It's never stated via scouter, or any other objective source, right?
I mean, Yamcha could be just reassuring Marron. In the saiyan saga is stated that Tien Shinhan is the strongest of the humans, he spent more time training with King Kai that any other character, and he certainly seems to be the strongest in later sagas.
Of course, you could argue if he is human or not...

The "among Earthlings, at least" part of Yamcha's quote is spoken to himself. Why would he lie to himself?

There's that one interview where Toriyama says that Killing is "the strongest Earthlings male." I don't have the direct link on me, but I know that it is on the talk page of the DB wiki page for Krillin somewhere because I put it there myself a few years ago.

[ABED]

I get that, but Tenshinhan being the stronger makes way more sense to me than Kuririn, especially since he seems far more driven in getting better as a martial artist.

[Akira]

It also makes way more sense that Roshi is way stronger than Chi-chi, yet a mere 2 power level points are all the better he is than her power wise at the time of the 23rd Budokai (His base anyway, we're not counting Max power Roshi here). You would also maybe assume that Kami is far stronger than Mr. Popo, but the facts are the facts, Mr. Popo actually has a much higher battle power than Kami, he's nearly strong enough to take on Raditz for crying out loud. Doesn't matter what makes sense to us based on our assumptions. That's just the way it is. There are a few times where Tenshinhan is stronger than Krillin, and maybe that's where some of the confusion lies. Yet, there are various points in the series where Vegeta, Goku, Gohan and even Piccolo all take turns being number 1 on earth during the course of the story. It is what it is, accept it and move on I reckon.

[Gorou]

For me it is enough to know that it was confirmed by the same Toriyama

Why argue anyway? There's a guy I work with that insists Broly is the strongest character in the manga. A movie only character who appears nowhere else really besides video games for fan service. He's backed by all kinds of sources he claims to have read. Yet I have all 42 volumes of the original source material, and I've never seen Broly anywhere within. Some arguments just aren't worth having man, but good luck anyway, I gave you the best direct quote. If you still encounter resistance after that, I strongly suggest you just let them think what they want to think.

A similar experience happened to me too. The problem is that, now, the opinions, for many are valid like the same facts.

[rereboy]

It also makes way more sense that Roshi is way stronger than Chi-chi, yet a mere 2 power level points are all the better he is than her power wise at the time of the 23rd Budokai (His base anyway, we're not counting Max power Roshi here). You would also maybe assume that Kami is far stronger than Mr. Popo, but the facts are the facts, Mr. Popo actually has a much higher battle power than Kami, he's nearly strong enough to take on Raditz for crying out loud. Doesn't matter what makes sense to us based on our assumptions. That's just the way it is. There are a few times where Tenshinhan is stronger than Krillin, and maybe that's where some of the confusion lies. Yet, there are various points in the series where Vegeta, Goku, Gohan and even Piccolo all take turns being number 1 on earth during the course of the story. It is what it is, accept it and move on I reckon.

That is just guidebook info. It's not always very accurate. In the case of popo and Kami the info is obviously wrong because popo states in the manga that Kami is stronger than him.

As for Tenshinhan and Krillin, at best Yamcha's statement is only a guess regarding Krillin since he probably hasn't seen Tenshinhan in years. And even assuming that he is right, there is nothing to suggest that it's still the case 7 years later, at the end of the manga.

And that's litterally everything that suggests that Krillin is superior in the manga. Besides that there are just some comments by Toriyama suggesting it.

[ABED]

That's the in universe answer and the one I agree with, but I think Toriyama is saying that he considers Kuririn to be the stronger of the two.

[rereboy]

Sure. In the Buu saga. Not at the end of the manga, 7 years later.

[ABED]

Do you think he would change his opinion that late into the story for no reason? If he did, why wouldn't he indicate it?

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

How come Gohan never counts as human in the "strongest human" debate?

[ABED]

How come Gohan never counts as human in the "strongest human" debate?

He's half alien.

[rereboy]

Do you think he would change his opinion that late into the story for no reason? If he did, why wouldn't he indicate it?

He might or he might not. There really is no way to tell what he would do if he had continued DB intead of ending it. There is only speculation and based on the manga there is no way to know who is stronger at the end of it.

[ABED]

Do you think he would change his opinion that late into the story for no reason? If he did, why wouldn't he indicate it?

He might or he might not. There really is no way to tell what he would do if he had continued DB intead of ending it. There is only speculation and based on the manga there is no way to know who is stronger at the end of it.

I don't really agree, but fair enough.

[rereboy]

You don't really agree that he might or that he might not? That without him actually doing it there is no way to confirm it? OK.

[Sandubadear]

Even recently, there are those 'F' character bios that say Kuririn is the strongest earthling warrior.

[ABED]

You don't really agree that he might or that he might not? That without him actually doing it there is no way to confirm it? OK.

It's an arbitrary statement. It's like arguing if aliens exist. "You don't know they exist". "Well, you don't known they DON'T."

[rereboy]

You don't really agree that he might or that he might not? That without him actually doing it there is no way to confirm it? OK.

It's an arbitrary statement. It's like arguing if aliens exist. "You don't know they exist". "Well, you don't known they DON'T."

Er... Which is why I won't just assume aliens exist, since I don't really know. That's my point.

Just like there is no real way to know how things stand at the end of the Buu saga, going by the manga. I could assume, but it would just be an assumption.

Don't know what is there for you to disagree with regarding this, exactly.

[B]

Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ma-nozawa/

There's no "source" in the manga beyond Yamcha's quote, but I think it's funny how doggedly people fight this. Right there, in that above link, Toriyama flat-out says what's what, and people are just... "No, I don't like that." No real reasoning at all.

You can't definitively say Tenshinhan is stronger than Kuririn at any point that isn't the 22nd Budokai. We can definitively say Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan at some indeterminable point because the guy who made both of them said it.