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kei17 wrote:You must know that it's just a matter of the degree of plausibility that is needed for the taste of a specific series or genre. If you go that far and cannot accept any illogical actions taken by characters (that you're able to fathom), you should just give up reading/watching shonen series focused on battles for the pure entertainment. Theyl'll never stop bothering you.
Suspension of disbelief is only necessary if the author has failed to create a coherent world.
And you want it for shonen manga/anime, then you are never entertained. If you think that you have ever found a "coherent world" in shonen series, it's just that your thoughts were below the threshold level of "suspension of disbelief" set by the author.
If you think that you have ever found a "coherent world" in shonen series, it's just that your thoughts were below the threshold level of "suspension of disbelief" set by the author.
Grow up, man.
What on earth is a "threshold level" for suspension of disbelif?
Okay obviously I'm no mod but dude, is it really necessary to double post when you could just make it one post ? Seriously, you're typing like a sentence a post.
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I really hate to play that card, but if you're having so much trouble wrapping your mind around diseases and the like still affecting our characters even when they're so strong (despite all real world evidence pointing to how it'd still be a concern)...then you may be taking the entire franchise just a tad too seriously.
I mean, we're talking about a world where characters exist named after vegetables and forms of underwear, and someone transforming to be stronger often involves their hair changing color. And someone getting sick and passing away is too world-breaking? I...don't follow.
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Because Goku Black has, well, human anatomy. There really should be no reason, just because he has the strength to bench press a planet, that he can't get sick like every other living organism.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I'm so glad, even before reading this thread but especially now that I have, that such things can kill Goku. The farther the series goes, and the stronger the characters get, the harder it is to create drama by giving them an effective obstacle to fight against. For example, I miss the adventure the early parts of the series had. But you can't trap Goku in a maze. He can just knock it down. You can't give him a long journey to go on. He can teleport almost anywhere, and those places he can't he can just fly to at super speeds. It's getting harder and harder to, as Kamiccolo said, keep him from becoming Silver Age Superman. And that's boring. So, yes. Keep up those weaknesses against diseases, etc. Don't ever take them away!
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Big Black Saiyan wrote:Why would being strong stop you from having a disease? Even the most healthy athlete can still get aids or cancer.
Real athletes have nothing to do with it. No biological or mechanical entity could possibly exist that's as strong as Gokuu. Human biology can get sick, but he doesn't have human biology anymore. Or if he does, he can use ki to ignore it.
RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:
Real athletes have nothing to do with it. No biological or mechanical entity could possibly exist that's as strong as Gokuu. Human biology can get sick, but he doesn't have human biology anymore. Or if he does, he can use ki to ignore it.
It was never stablished that ki can ignore diseaces.
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:
Real athletes have nothing to do with it. No biological or mechanical entity could possibly exist that's as strong as Gokuu. Human biology can get sick, but he doesn't have human biology anymore. Or if he does, he can use ki to ignore it.
It was never stablished that ki can ignore diseaces.
Sure, but the series never really established what exactly ki did at all.
Sure, but the series never really established what exactly ki did at all.
They showed you what it does. It can allow people to fly, shoot beams, etc. They just didn't say everything it could or couldn't do because that would be beside the point, but clearly as we saw, it didn't matter how much ki he had, Goku contracted a disease and if we take Vegeta at his word, Goku turning Super Saiyan made it slightly worse.
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Because he's still a flesh-and-blood creature with the various limitations that come from that. It's possible that becoming a god might have made him immune to some of those things but maybe not.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Because he's still a flesh-and-blood creature with the various limitations that come from that. It's possible that becoming a god might have made him immune to some of those things but maybe not.
More likely the later, God ki didn´t prevent Vegeta from not surviving outer space during both Resurrection F movie and in Resurrection F arc in SUPER.
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
It's a super heart disease that needs a cure from the future. The poison didn't kill but just make him faint, it's also from a freeza like alien from an alternate mirror universe. You can't just be immune to everything.
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I think evidence show that even (even in Super like Champa's knee getting hurt even though that was a gag) while powered down, taking a bullet that these characters are still very Human.
The Saiyan's are very similar to the human race, they even look like humans. They are a lot stronger than humans and of course, have a natural instinct to abilities that humans don't and lean more on their primal instincts of fighting, but they still have body's they have to take care of. There's probably aliens out there with immunity to poison, but with Saiyan's being that close to humans, I don't think they'll ever be immune. Someone like Boo or Freeza I could buy being immune to disease because they don't look like or share anything close to a human's genetic makeup.
Xeztin wrote:The Saiyan's are very similar to the human race, they even look like humans. They are a lot stronger than humans and of course, have a natural instinct to abilities that humans don't and lean more on their primal instincts of fighting, but they still have body's they have to take care of. There's probably aliens out there with immunity to poison, but with Saiyan's being that close to humans, I don't think they'll ever be immune. Someone like Boo or Freeza I could buy being immune to disease because they don't look like or share anything close to a human's genetic makeup.
Gokuu didn't break his hand while exchanging punches that could destroy the universe. Since bone cells would definantly break, he is already defending his body at a cellular level. He can also sense ki from all the way across the cosmos, surely he could sense the energy of a germ inside him.
