Dragon Ball Z Footage Channel

[Vegitasama992]

I invite everyone to check out my youtube channel with oldschool recordings of Dragon Ball Z directly from Fuji TV! I keep uploading short clips to save footage of first broadcastings on Fuji TV. They include Japanese commercials such as Dragon Ball Games Advertisements, Few Mainly Scenes from Episodes and Previews! And who doesn't say this audio isn't sounding cleanly even if it comes from 90s?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKYvuG ... q45b9QZbmA

[Danfun64]

...how many episodes do you have in Fuji TV format?

The audio of those tapes is probably vastly superior to the masters that Toei has now. If you were to upload a torrent or something of every episode you have from Fuji TV recordings, with the best equipment, we will not only have an HQ audio source, but depending on how well preserved the video is, an accurate color reference.

[clutchins]

Just so everyone knows, these are fansubs, not direct recordings from Japan. Still cool, though. Thanks for sharing.

[Vegitasama992]

Just so everyone knows, these are fansubs, not direct recordings from Japan. Still cool, though. Thanks for sharing.

They are direct recordings from Fuji TV during first or second emission, arent they? :O Where did you get that information?

[clutchins]

Let me clarify what I meant: These are fansubs, not what we around here would call "original broadcast" from Fuji TV, which is what I had gotten my hopes up for. Yes, the fansub tapes themselves are sourced from Fuji TV, but only through several generations of recording.

[Vegitasama992]

Let me clarify what I meant: These are fansubs, not what we around here would call "original broadcast" from Fuji TV, which is what I had gotten my hopes up for. Yes, the fansub tapes themselves are sourced from Fuji TV, but only through several generations of recording.

What do you mean exactly by "original broadcast"? I have been always thinking that AnimeLabs have received their Japanese Tapes from persons who actually recorded Episodes when there was transmission on Fuji TV in 90s.

[clutchins]

Let me clarify what I meant: These are fansubs, not what we around here would call "original broadcast" from Fuji TV, which is what I had gotten my hopes up for. Yes, the fansub tapes themselves are sourced from Fuji TV, but only through several generations of recording.

What do you mean exactly by "original broadcast"? I have been always thinking that AnimeLabs have received their Japanese Tapes from persons who actually recorded Episodes when there was transmission on Fuji TV in 90s.

I'm really referring to the quality of the tapes, not the origin. The difference between "original broadcast" tapes and "fansub" tapes is quality. A lot of people on this forum are familiar with the original broadcast tapes that kei17 has stockpiled over the last decade or however long it's been. These tapes, which I believe are mostly betamax, are recordings of the series on Fuji TV as it aired back in the day. Few, if not all of them are supposedly not duplicated over, meaning that they aren't copies of copies of copies like fansub tapes in America are infamous for.

Sorry for the confusion. I do appreciate what you uploaded by the way.

[Vegitasama992]

Let me clarify what I meant: These are fansubs, not what we around here would call "original broadcast" from Fuji TV, which is what I had gotten my hopes up for. Yes, the fansub tapes themselves are sourced from Fuji TV, but only through several generations of recording.

What do you mean exactly by "original broadcast"? I have been always thinking that AnimeLabs have received their Japanese Tapes from persons who actually recorded Episodes when there was transmission on Fuji TV in 90s.

I'm really referring to the quality of the tapes, not the origin. The difference between "original broadcast" tapes and "fansub" tapes is quality. A lot of people on this forum are familiar with the original broadcast tapes that kei17 has stockpiled over the last decade or however long it's been. These tapes, which I believe are mostly betamax, are recordings of the series on Fuji TV as it aired back in the day. Few, if not all of them are supposedly not duplicated over, meaning that they aren't copies of copies of copies like fansub tapes in America are infamous for.

Sorry for the confusion. I do appreciate what you uploaded by the way.

Now I understood, so only Kei17 got first release directly from Fuji Studio not TV?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyda69 ... bAPjdTQQqA

[sangofe]

What do you mean exactly by "original broadcast"? I have been always thinking that AnimeLabs have received their Japanese Tapes from persons who actually recorded Episodes when there was transmission on Fuji TV in 90s.

I'm really referring to the quality of the tapes, not the origin. The difference between "original broadcast" tapes and "fansub" tapes is quality. A lot of people on this forum are familiar with the original broadcast tapes that kei17 has stockpiled over the last decade or however long it's been. These tapes, which I believe are mostly betamax, are recordings of the series on Fuji TV as it aired back in the day. Few, if not all of them are supposedly not duplicated over, meaning that they aren't copies of copies of copies like fansub tapes in America are infamous for.

Sorry for the confusion. I do appreciate what you uploaded by the way.

Now I understood, so only Kei17 got first release directly from Fuji Studio not TV?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyda69 ... bAPjdTQQqA

No. But his tapes have been well kept and aren't copies of copies like 99% of VHS fansubs are. With stuff on tape, you lost quality copying unlike today there is no quality loss copying a digital file.

[clutchins]

With stuff on tape, you lost quality copying unlike today there is no quality loss copying a digital file.

Technically, you can degrade a digital file, but not really in the same way as you would a tape.

[LordCrumb]

People really need to stop talking about Kei17 and his recordings. No one is going to see them other than him, so why keep bringing it up?

Thanks for the uploads Vegitasama992.

[clutchins]

People really need to stop talking about Kei17 and his recordings. No one is going to see them other than him, so why keep bringing it up?

Because they exist at all? Because they are likely the best color reference in the entire world?

[Tian]

Wow, you even have International Channel footage in your channel! I'd like to say it's an interesting collection. I hope Youtube doesn't delete it due to TOEI's copyright.

[Vegitasama992]

So my examples from Fuji TV come from second or third rerun on TV?

[VegettoEX]

A couple items that will hopefully clarify things:

Formats like VHS are what we might consider "lossy". They degrade in quality each time they're copied on that format.

To get subtitles onto a VHS tape (like in a fansub), you have to: (1) record it off the television > (2) make a copy of that copy laying subtitles over top. A fansub is ALREADY a second-generation copy by the time it's made. Each copy of that copy is going to have a further degradation in audio and video quality. We're not talking about "reruns" (an episode airing again at a later date on the same television channel); we're talking about someone hooking two VCRs up together to make copies.

So a VHS fansub can have the CONTENT of the "original broadcast" (like, literally the episode opening theme through the ending theme, and maybe even the commercials in between) but its quality is already two levels deep by the time it's fansubbed. This is further compromised by VHS-to-VHS copies, which can only get exponentially worse each time.

Formats like Beta and SVHS are able to achieve and maintain a higher quality of audio and video fidelity than standard VHS. Around these parts, when people refer to "original broadcast quality," they're referring to a recording on a format better than VHS. In this specific case, kei17 happens to have Beta recordings of the original broadcast. These are not fansubs; these are the initial, raw, first-time recordings from what aired on television. They have not been further copied beyond that (I mean, maybe he's made digital copies for preservation, but that's not relevant here).

So again, these first-time, Beta recordings have a significantly higher fidelity of audio and video than even your direct-from-the-fansubbers copy of (insert episode here). They are not even in the running together.

[MCDaveG]

It's great part of fansub history, original recording wouldn't look like hell (there are almost no colours) unless on vastly overplayed VHS.

[Vegitasama992]

A couple items that will hopefully clarify things:

Formats like VHS are what we might consider "lossy". They degrade in quality each time they're copied on that format.

To get subtitles onto a VHS tape (like in a fansub), you have to: (1) record it off the television > (2) make a copy of that copy laying subtitles over top. A fansub is ALREADY a second-generation copy by the time it's made. Each copy of that copy is going to have a further degradation in audio and video quality. We're not talking about "reruns" (an episode airing again at a later date on the same television channel); we're talking about someone hooking two VCRs up together to make copies.

So a VHS fansub can have the CONTENT of the "original broadcast" (like, literally the episode opening theme through the ending theme, and maybe even the commercials in between) but its quality is already two levels deep by the time it's fansubbed. This is further compromised by VHS-to-VHS copies, which can only get exponentially worse each time.

Formats like Beta and SVHS are able to achieve and maintain a higher quality of audio and video fidelity than standard VHS. Around these parts, when people refer to "original broadcast quality," they're referring to a recording on a format better than VHS. In this specific case, kei17 happens to have Beta recordings of the original broadcast. These are not fansubs; these are the initial, raw, first-time recordings from what aired on television. They have not been further copied beyond that (I mean, maybe he's made digital copies for preservation, but that's not relevant here).

So again, these first-time, Beta recordings have a significantly higher fidelity of audio and video than even your direct-from-the-fansubbers copy of (insert episode here). They are not even in the running together.

Everything is clear to me now. I thought that Kei17 got Dragon Ball Betamax Tapes directly from Fuji Studio but however his recordings are really well-kept and they look like it was 2000 years. One of his video for an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC2zzUFCTPc I have always known that my Fansubs are multiply copies so that's why quality is worse. But when I saw Kei17 Recordings my first thought was he remastered it from VHS Player because I would never say this recording comes from 1986-1987 years.

[Bansho64]

Random question, but are Betamax Tapes better or worse than VHS tapes? I just lost all of my VHS Toonami Kai recordings and my VCR so I'm trying to decide what I'm gonna use next to record Kai.

[Vegitasama992]

Random question, but are Betamax Tapes better or worse than VHS tapes? I just lost all of my VHS Toonami Kai recordings and my VCR so I'm trying to decide what I'm gonna use next to record Kai.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax#H ... io_upgrade Here you can find your answer But unfortunately you can't buy them anymore since production and sales ended on March 2016.

[VegettoEX]

As I described in depth above, Beta is superior to VHS.

There's zero reason for you to be recording on any of these dead formats, however. You're creating more work for yourself, archiving an inferior product on inferior technology, and there is no way to further preserve the integrity of that signal beyond your initial analog capture. I'm, quite frankly, flabbergasted that you would even consider this and would urge you to reconsider.