Did any dub try to censor General Blue's sexuality?

[FoolsGil]

At least in my manga copy, they changed Yamcha's line from not being a lolicon to not having a lolita complex, which is similar, in a way.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Lolicon is short for Lolita Complex its exactly the same.

[nickzambuto]

Honestly, I didn't see the big deal with Blue being attracted to Obotchaman. It might make him a pedophile, but it wasn't in a creepy or negative way... if that makes sense. Like, he wasn't looking to rape the kid. He said Obotchaman was "his type" and actually wanted to take the kid out on a date. That's much more gentlemanly than the term "pedophile" would imply. I actually thought it was funny.

If a grown man sees a child as "his type" that's immediate grounds for pedophilia considering Blue tried to kiss him right after thinking that
Pedophilia isn't strictly raping kids

Yes, I stated that it makes him a pedophile. My point was that he's not necessarily a creepy or bad pedophile if he wanted to take Obotchaman out on a romantic date.

[Cure Dragon 255]

"Backs Away Slowly"

So... did people forget Funimation did an uncut version and an edited version? I think they only toned him down and his sexuality in the edited version.

[Metalwario64]

"Backs Away Slowly"

So... did people forget Funimation did an uncut version and an edited version? I think they only toned him down and his sexuality in the edited version.

The dialog is pretty much identical in both versions... Even in the uncut version, he isn't nearly as outright gay, and is never directly stated to be like in the Japanese script, and in both versions he thinks the boy from Dr. Slump is his long lost brother.

[Dbzfan94]

Honestly, I didn't see the big deal with Blue being attracted to Obotchaman. It might make him a pedophile, but it wasn't in a creepy or negative way... if that makes sense. Like, he wasn't looking to rape the kid. He said Obotchaman was "his type" and actually wanted to take the kid out on a date. That's much more gentlemanly than the term "pedophile" would imply. I actually thought it was funny.

If a grown man sees a child as "his type" that's immediate grounds for pedophilia considering Blue tried to kiss him right after thinking that
Pedophilia isn't strictly raping kids

Yes, I stated that it makes him a pedophile. My point was that he's not necessarily a creepy or bad pedophile if he wanted to take Obotchaman out on a romantic date.

Umm you're raising red flags. A grown man isn't creepy for wanting to a Obotchaman ( a kid ) on a date??? Pedophiles aren't creepy if they're "romantic"???

[ShaneisMC]

If a grown man sees a child as "his type" that's immediate grounds for pedophilia considering Blue tried to kiss him right after thinking that
Pedophilia isn't strictly raping kids

Yes, I stated that it makes him a pedophile. My point was that he's not necessarily a creepy or bad pedophile if he wanted to take Obotchaman out on a romantic date.

Umm you're raising red flags. A grown man isn't creepy for wanting to a Obotchaman ( a kid ) on a date??? Pedophiles aren't creepy if they're "romantic"???

I'm just going to play devils advocate and try to assume and look at this in a different light. Perhaps he meant that from the perspective of a pedophile they aren't being "creepy"? From a normal persons perspective any way you look at it is seemingly unnatural and off putting. However, and this is just a guess, in a/some pedophiles mind/s they are for whatever reason simply attracted to children. For them it isn't necessarily odd since it may be a feeling that comes to them naturally. Obviously that doesn't make it acceptable or safe for the child. But assuming they aren't actively trying to trick the child or attempt to molest or rape etc, and they are from their perspective trying to make the equivalent of a "normal" romantic advancement towards them then I suppose I mean..... That isn't necessarily "creepy". Again it doesn't make it ok, but at least the intent may not necessarily be malicious.

[Soppa Saia People]

Isn't Obotchaman a robot ?

[Cure Dragon 255]

If he had smply said "Chill, Obotchaman's a robot!" I would indeed chill. But he didnt so...

[Gligarman]

Obochaman's my favorite character in Dr. Slump! That aside, while he would technically be in his late teens or early 20's by that point, there's no way Blue knew that. If you REALLY want to play devil's advocate you could argue that Blue's age is never revealed either. Either way Obochaman's a robot and he's awesome. Blue's a villain and he's dead.

[ShaneisMC]

"Supposedly" according to the Dragon Ball wiki he's got a confirmed age of 28 at death. I have no idea what source they pulled that from.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

"Supposedly" according to the Dragon Ball wiki he's got a confirmed age of 28 at death. I have no idea what source they pulled that from.

Blue's age was revealed the the character bios of the Adventure Special guidebook. It might have been reprinted in later guides too, I don't remember, but it was definitely in the former as that bio was also where it was first revealed that Tao Pai Pai survived the grenade since Blue said he wasn't in Hell.

[Muffin Man]

Yes, I stated that it makes him a pedophile. My point was that he's not necessarily a creepy or bad pedophile if he wanted to take Obotchaman out on a romantic date.

Umm you're raising red flags. A grown man isn't creepy for wanting to a Obotchaman ( a kid ) on a date??? Pedophiles aren't creepy if they're "romantic"???

I'm just going to play devils advocate and try to assume and look at this in a different light. Perhaps he meant that from the perspective of a pedophile they aren't being "creepy"? From a normal persons perspective any way you look at it is seemingly unnatural and off putting. However, and this is just a guess, in a/some pedophiles mind/s they are for whatever reason simply attracted to children. For them it isn't necessarily odd since it may be a feeling that comes to them naturally. Obviously that doesn't make it acceptable or safe for the child. But assuming they aren't actively trying to trick the child or attempt to molest or rape etc, and they are from their perspective trying to make the equivalent of a "normal" romantic advancement towards them then I suppose I mean..... That isn't necessarily "creepy". Again it doesn't make it ok, but at least the intent may not necessarily be malicious.

It's totally creepy. Most child molesters aren't, like, violent cartoon villains or fat dirty guys in vans or whatever. They are usually someone the kid knows and trusts, and they behave very friendly because they want the kid to like them. General Blue's actions are much closer to those of a typical child molester than what you guys seem to be thinking of.

[nickzambuto]

Umm you're raising red flags. A grown man isn't creepy for wanting to a Obotchaman ( a kid ) on a date??? Pedophiles aren't creepy if they're "romantic"???

I'm just going to play devils advocate and try to assume and look at this in a different light. Perhaps he meant that from the perspective of a pedophile they aren't being "creepy"? From a normal persons perspective any way you look at it is seemingly unnatural and off putting. However, and this is just a guess, in a/some pedophiles mind/s they are for whatever reason simply attracted to children. For them it isn't necessarily odd since it may be a feeling that comes to them naturally. Obviously that doesn't make it acceptable or safe for the child. But assuming they aren't actively trying to trick the child or attempt to molest or rape etc, and they are from their perspective trying to make the equivalent of a "normal" romantic advancement towards them then I suppose I mean..... That isn't necessarily "creepy". Again it doesn't make it ok, but at least the intent may not necessarily be malicious.

It's totally creepy. Most child molesters aren't, like, violent cartoon villains or fat dirty guys in vans or whatever. They are usually someone the kid knows and trusts, and they behave very friendly because they want the kid to like them. General Blue's actions are much closer to those of a typical child molester than what you guys seem to be thinking of.

But he wasn't aiming to harm the child in any way.

[VegettoEX]

But he wasn't aiming to harm the child in any way.

You do not appear to have a detailed-enough understanding of the scene in context OR the real-life parallels to accurately, comprehensively, and authoritatively have this conversation. I will at this point politely ask you to refrain from causing further harm by ending it here.

[Cipher]

More than anything, the issue with that scene isn't that Blue is portrayed as a pedophile in and of itself. It's the offensive notion that someone at Toei took this camp gay character and just assumed it was totally kosher to add a scene of implied pedophilia, furthering a(n at-the-time prevalent) harmful stereotype that gay people are somehow dangerous or abnormal, rather than ... you know, exactly like straight people save for the gender they're attracted to, which is a total non-issue.

[Dbzfan94]

More than anything, the issue with that scene isn't that Blue is portrayed as a pedophile in and of itself. It's the offensive notion that someone at Toei took this camp gay character and just assumed it was totally kosher to add a scene of implied pedophilia, furthering a(n at-the-time prevalent) harmful stereotype that gay people are somehow dangerous or abnormal, rather than ... you know, exactly like straight people save for the gender they're attracted to, which is a total non-issue.

Exactly. It was a "one off/anime only" thing so it doesn't hurt his character at all to me, I just took issue with him trying to justify it as not that bad

[Cipher]

Exactly. It was a "one off/anime only" thing so it doesn't hurt his character at all to me, I just took issue with him trying to justify it as not that bad

Oh totally. I don't think of that scene when I think of Blue's character either, since it was just a (really bad) Toei addition.

And yeah, I was just getting at why that scene is such a poor inclusion regardless of how predatory he appears. It's a tasteless gag that plays on some really backward, paranoid notions of what constitutes homosexuality.

And yeah, yeah, Obatchaman is a robot and technically god knows how old at that point, but no one was forcing the scriptwriter's hand to include an object of Blue's affection who is visually (and mentally) a young boy. It just serves to further other his character over his sexuality and reinforce all sorts of negative views.

[Bansho64]

I'm kinda glad Funi did that. The General Blue crap with Kuririn was creepy as it was and it's one of the few things I feel they did right.

[Dbzfan94]

Exactly. It was a "one off/anime only" thing so it doesn't hurt his character at all to me, I just took issue with him trying to justify it as not that bad

Oh totally. I don't think of that scene when I think of Blue's character either, since it was just a (really bad) Toei addition.

And yeah, I was just getting at why that scene is such a poor inclusion regardless of how predatory he appears. It's a tasteless gag that plays on some really backward, paranoid notions of what constitutes homosexuality.

And yeah, yeah, Obatchaman is a robot and technically god knows how old at that point, but no one was forcing the scriptwriter's hand to include an object of Blue's affection who is visually (and mentally) a young boy. It just serves to further other his character over his sexuality and reinforce all sorts of negative views.

He may be an adult but he looks 5-6, which is my problem. If he looked like Android 16 for example it would just be funny and not creepy lol