Why Toriyama thought Gohan wouldn't make a good main character

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Re: Why Toriyama thought Gohan wouldn't make a good main character

Post by PurestEvil » Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:52 am

mute_proxy wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:23 am I'm sure people don't care if you agree or disagree with them about something 4 years later :D
Especially when there is a more recent thread with discussions about this particular topic
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Re: Why Toriyama thought Gohan wouldn't make a good main character

Post by Yellowhex616 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:39 am

mute_proxy wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:23 am I'm sure people don't care if you agree or disagree with them about something 4 years later :D
True, but you can't really compare Gohan's character with that of Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach, 4 years later or not it's neither a consistent or fair comparison lol

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Re: Why Toriyama thought Gohan wouldn't make a good main character

Post by PurestEvil » Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:57 am

Yellowhex616 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:39 am
mute_proxy wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:23 am I'm sure people don't care if you agree or disagree with them about something 4 years later :D
True, but you can't really compare Gohan's character with that of Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach, 4 years later or not it's neither a consistent or fair comparison lol
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Re: Why Toriyama thought Gohan wouldn't make a good main character

Post by McDonaldsGuy » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:57 pm

the thing that makes Goku a good main hero is that when he is involved, you know everything is going to be alright. You need to be CREDIBLE as a hero. Gohan is not credible, Goku is.

Like Gohan says, when he saw Goku walking towards Freeza, they had hope. Hell, the entire Android/Cell saga is about how Goku is the last hope to stop a horrific future. Or when Krillin calls out for Goku against the Saiyans. Or when Goku arrives on Namek and challenges the Ginyu Force. Or when Goku fights against Piccolo Daimao the second time.

Gohan doesn't give you that feeling. Even when he fought Cell, you never thought everything was going to be alright and the good guys will win. A good hero always gives you that feeling of hope. Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Luke Skywalker (OT only), Captain Kirk, Master Chief, etc. etc. When other in-universe characters AND the audience now think victory is possible because of that character, that makes a good hero.

Think of it like a war when Side A is getting demolished by Side B. Side A is all but defeated and even starts retreating. But then the Hero comes and now not only does Side A have hope they will win, they now fight with even more ferocity than before. That's what a Goku does. A Gohan doesn't do that. In The Mandalorian Season 2 Finale:

Or in The Dark Knight Rises when Batman lights up the bat signal which even makes those reluctant to fight and defeated stand in the front-line of battle. THAT'S what a main hero does.

Perhaps Toriyama could have developed Gohan into this, but it may have been too late. Heck, if anything, Gohan's fight with Cell damaged this credibility even more because of his reluctance to fight even with everything in the balance. Once again, it's Goku that gives Gohan that last bit of push he needs to defeat Cell. Goku has arrived - everything will be OK, even if he's dead.

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Re: Why Toriyama thought Gohan wouldn't make a good main character

Post by Yellowhex616 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:37 pm

PurestEvil wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:57 am
Yellowhex616 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:39 am
mute_proxy wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:23 am I'm sure people don't care if you agree or disagree with them about something 4 years later :D
True, but you can't really compare Gohan's character with that of Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach, 4 years later or not it's neither a consistent or fair comparison lol
Posting on years-long dead threads is something many people on this site do not appreciate
Do you really think I care about whether or not people appreciate it? I should be able post my opinion regardless of how old the thread is. You previously said there was a thread on this very topic but when looking into it I didn't see one. The closest one I could see was "how would you rewrite the Majin Buu arc" or something along those lines.

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Re: Why Toriyama thought Gohan wouldn't make a good main character

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm

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Re: Why Toriyama thought Gohan wouldn't make a good main character

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:51 pm

Yellowhex616 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:37 pm
PurestEvil wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:57 am
Yellowhex616 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:39 am

True, but you can't really compare Gohan's character with that of Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach, 4 years later or not it's neither a consistent or fair comparison lol
Posting on years-long dead threads is something many people on this site do not appreciate
Do you really think I care about whether or not people appreciate it? I should be able post my opinion regardless of how old the thread is. You previously said there was a thread on this very topic but when looking into it I didn't see one. The closest one I could see was "how would you rewrite the Majin Buu arc" or something along those lines.
Like Cure Dragon said above me, the admins/mods don't really want members bumping or necroposting on thread topics that are more than a year old and it goes against the forum rules. Start a new thread on this if you want, so there can be fresh discussion instead of digging up the corpse of an old one from 2016.
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