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Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by keyz05 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:35 am

Has anyone noticed any retcons so far in either both Z and Super? I'm really curious to find out if there were any the series.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by Gog » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:40 am

I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by mute_proxy » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:40 am

Potara lasting an hour. Anything else I think are simple inconsistencies.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by ABED » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:57 am

Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
More of a reveal than a retcon.

Biggest retcon is Goku being able to turn Super Saiyan 3 after fighting Vegeta at his maximum.
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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by Gog » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:09 am

ABED wrote:
Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
More of a reveal than a retcon.

Biggest retcon is Goku being able to turn Super Saiyan 3 after fighting Vegeta at his maximum.
It was a retcon, it was something never stated or implied once in the entirety of the series. But it's a good retcon as it just fits in so well.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by ABED » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:13 am

Gog wrote:
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Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
More of a reveal than a retcon.

Biggest retcon is Goku being able to turn Super Saiyan 3 after fighting Vegeta at his maximum.
It was a retcon, it was something never stated or implied once in the entirety of the series. But it's a good retcon as it just fits in so well.
That's how a lot of reveals work. A retcon is something like there being a previous Black Canary and acting like that had always been the case. Nevermind, I just thought of Muten Roshi saying he knew Goku was an alien. That's the bigger retcon, not necessarily the reveal that Goku is an alien. That in and of itself wouldn't be a retcon.
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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by mute_proxy » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:14 am

Gog wrote:
ABED wrote:
Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
More of a reveal than a retcon.

Biggest retcon is Goku being able to turn Super Saiyan 3 after fighting Vegeta at his maximum.
It was a retcon, it was something never stated or implied once in the entirety of the series. But it's a good retcon as it just fits in so well.
Isn't a retcon when you change/rewrite something that's already been established with something different? Goku being an alien was a reveal.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by ABED » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:16 am

Isn't a retcon when you change/rewrite something that's already been established with something different? Goku being an alien was a reveal.
I know I'm flip flopping here, but the retcon in this case is Muten Roshi knowing Goku is an alien, otherwise I would agree with you
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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by mute_proxy » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:20 am

ABED wrote:
Isn't a retcon when you change/rewrite something that's already been established with something different? Goku being an alien was a reveal.
I know I'm flip flopping here, but the retcon in this case is Muten Roshi knowing Goku is an alien, otherwise I would agree with you
He didn't know he was an alien, he said that Gohan found him in the woods, that's all

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by Desassina » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:21 am

mute_proxy wrote:Potara lasting an hour. Anything else I think are simple inconsistencies.
I never believed the bad air excuse from Goku, but I guess that we were told by the old Kaioshin that it would be permanent, so it counts as a retcon. Here's a few others:
- Majin Boo Pure as the strongest at the end of his saga by virtue of DB Super calling Goku the strongest as well.
- Gohan's power being unlocked and allowing him to go Super Saiyan on top of it when he didn't against Bootenks.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by mute_proxy » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:23 am

Desassina wrote: - Gohan's power being unlocked and allowing him to go Super Saiyan on top of it when he didn't against Bootenks.
If you mean the recent episodes, he's not yet at his peak there.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by Desassina » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:26 am

mute_proxy wrote:
Desassina wrote: - Gohan's power being unlocked and allowing him to go Super Saiyan on top of it when he didn't against Bootenks.
If you mean the recent episodes, he's not yet at his peak there.
Is it inferred or were we told that? I took a step back with the episodes to watch them in my country's dub, so I'm not following the latest, and I appreciate it.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by Beek King » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:33 am

Goku being an alien was not a retcon because before Saiyan saga, his origins were a mystery. HIs revealed alien origin was filling a blank and did not contradict anything established previously.
The biggest retcon of them all would probably be the entire existence of Super. EoZ had Bulma say she hasn't seen Goku in 5 years and it's implied the 10 year gap was pretty uneventful.
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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by mute_proxy » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:37 am

Desassina wrote:
mute_proxy wrote:
Desassina wrote: - Gohan's power being unlocked and allowing him to go Super Saiyan on top of it when he didn't against Bootenks.
If you mean the recent episodes, he's not yet at his peak there.
Is it inferred or were we told that? I took a step back with the episodes to watch them in my country's dub, so I'm not following the latest, and I appreciate it.
He got weaker because of peace times and family stuff between Battle of Gods and Ressurection F, he said "I think I can still go Super Saiyan" meaning he's weak, then he tried getting back on track later, and now in the Universal Tournament thing he's a lot stronger, but says he still has quite a bit to improve.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by ABED » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:11 am

mute_proxy wrote:
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Isn't a retcon when you change/rewrite something that's already been established with something different? Goku being an alien was a reveal.
I know I'm flip flopping here, but the retcon in this case is Muten Roshi knowing Goku is an alien, otherwise I would agree with you
He didn't know he was an alien, he said that Gohan found him in the woods, that's all
I don't recall the dialog, but the images of the spaceship implies that he knows about the ship. Maybe that's just the anime.
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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by sintzu » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:12 am

Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
In the RRA arc the android that Goku fought at muscle tower scanned him and it said he was an alien. It was a joke of course but it worked out in the end.
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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by TheMikado » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:28 am

Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
This is by far the biggest and literally drives the entire Dragonball franchise from that point forward. I honestly can't think of anything close to this in any media that had such a profound impact on future stories.

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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:09 pm

Does the Garlic Jr saga in DBZ count as a retcon? It would suggest the movie is in continuity with the series thus retconning the whole "Krillin meeting Gohan for the first time in episode 2" and the 5 year reunion at Roshi's.


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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

Post by LuckyCat » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:53 pm

MasenkoHA wrote:Does the Garlic Jr saga in DBZ count as a retcon?
If you consider filler to be in the same continuity as non-filler then there's plenty of retcon opportunities. For example, the filler episode where Gohan is transformed into a giant ape by Goku's space capsule. Piccolo destroys the space capsule in the episode. Later, Dr. Briefs says that he finds Goku's capsule, intact. So Dr. Briefs' statement would be a retcon if you were following the filler as the story.
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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?

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