Biggest retcon in DragonBall?
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Biggest retcon in DragonBall?
Has anyone noticed any retcons so far in either both Z and Super? I'm really curious to find out if there were any the series.
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I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
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Potara lasting an hour. Anything else I think are simple inconsistencies.
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More of a reveal than a retcon.Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
Biggest retcon is Goku being able to turn Super Saiyan 3 after fighting Vegeta at his maximum.
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It was a retcon, it was something never stated or implied once in the entirety of the series. But it's a good retcon as it just fits in so well.ABED wrote:More of a reveal than a retcon.Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
Biggest retcon is Goku being able to turn Super Saiyan 3 after fighting Vegeta at his maximum.
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That's how a lot of reveals work. A retcon is something like there being a previous Black Canary and acting like that had always been the case. Nevermind, I just thought of Muten Roshi saying he knew Goku was an alien. That's the bigger retcon, not necessarily the reveal that Goku is an alien. That in and of itself wouldn't be a retcon.Gog wrote:It was a retcon, it was something never stated or implied once in the entirety of the series. But it's a good retcon as it just fits in so well.ABED wrote:More of a reveal than a retcon.Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
Biggest retcon is Goku being able to turn Super Saiyan 3 after fighting Vegeta at his maximum.
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Isn't a retcon when you change/rewrite something that's already been established with something different? Goku being an alien was a reveal.Gog wrote:It was a retcon, it was something never stated or implied once in the entirety of the series. But it's a good retcon as it just fits in so well.ABED wrote:More of a reveal than a retcon.Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
Biggest retcon is Goku being able to turn Super Saiyan 3 after fighting Vegeta at his maximum.
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I know I'm flip flopping here, but the retcon in this case is Muten Roshi knowing Goku is an alien, otherwise I would agree with youIsn't a retcon when you change/rewrite something that's already been established with something different? Goku being an alien was a reveal.
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He didn't know he was an alien, he said that Gohan found him in the woods, that's allABED wrote:I know I'm flip flopping here, but the retcon in this case is Muten Roshi knowing Goku is an alien, otherwise I would agree with youIsn't a retcon when you change/rewrite something that's already been established with something different? Goku being an alien was a reveal.
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I never believed the bad air excuse from Goku, but I guess that we were told by the old Kaioshin that it would be permanent, so it counts as a retcon. Here's a few others:mute_proxy wrote:Potara lasting an hour. Anything else I think are simple inconsistencies.
- Majin Boo Pure as the strongest at the end of his saga by virtue of DB Super calling Goku the strongest as well.
- Gohan's power being unlocked and allowing him to go Super Saiyan on top of it when he didn't against Bootenks.
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If you mean the recent episodes, he's not yet at his peak there.Desassina wrote: - Gohan's power being unlocked and allowing him to go Super Saiyan on top of it when he didn't against Bootenks.
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Is it inferred or were we told that? I took a step back with the episodes to watch them in my country's dub, so I'm not following the latest, and I appreciate it.mute_proxy wrote:If you mean the recent episodes, he's not yet at his peak there.Desassina wrote: - Gohan's power being unlocked and allowing him to go Super Saiyan on top of it when he didn't against Bootenks.
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Goku being an alien was not a retcon because before Saiyan saga, his origins were a mystery. HIs revealed alien origin was filling a blank and did not contradict anything established previously.
The biggest retcon of them all would probably be the entire existence of Super. EoZ had Bulma say she hasn't seen Goku in 5 years and it's implied the 10 year gap was pretty uneventful.
The biggest retcon of them all would probably be the entire existence of Super. EoZ had Bulma say she hasn't seen Goku in 5 years and it's implied the 10 year gap was pretty uneventful.
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He got weaker because of peace times and family stuff between Battle of Gods and Ressurection F, he said "I think I can still go Super Saiyan" meaning he's weak, then he tried getting back on track later, and now in the Universal Tournament thing he's a lot stronger, but says he still has quite a bit to improve.Desassina wrote:Is it inferred or were we told that? I took a step back with the episodes to watch them in my country's dub, so I'm not following the latest, and I appreciate it.mute_proxy wrote:If you mean the recent episodes, he's not yet at his peak there.Desassina wrote: - Gohan's power being unlocked and allowing him to go Super Saiyan on top of it when he didn't against Bootenks.
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I don't recall the dialog, but the images of the spaceship implies that he knows about the ship. Maybe that's just the anime.mute_proxy wrote:He didn't know he was an alien, he said that Gohan found him in the woods, that's allABED wrote:I know I'm flip flopping here, but the retcon in this case is Muten Roshi knowing Goku is an alien, otherwise I would agree with youIsn't a retcon when you change/rewrite something that's already been established with something different? Goku being an alien was a reveal.
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In the RRA arc the android that Goku fought at muscle tower scanned him and it said he was an alien. It was a joke of course but it worked out in the end.Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
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This is by far the biggest and literally drives the entire Dragonball franchise from that point forward. I honestly can't think of anything close to this in any media that had such a profound impact on future stories.Gog wrote:I would consider Goku turning into an alien to be a pretty big retcon.
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Does the Garlic Jr saga in DBZ count as a retcon? It would suggest the movie is in continuity with the series thus retconning the whole "Krillin meeting Gohan for the first time in episode 2" and the 5 year reunion at Roshi's.
Freeza destroying the planet Vegeta vs The Kami of planet Vegeta directing meteors to destroy it
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Freeza destroying the planet Vegeta vs The Kami of planet Vegeta directing meteors to destroy it
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Re: Biggest retcon in DragonBall?
If you consider filler to be in the same continuity as non-filler then there's plenty of retcon opportunities. For example, the filler episode where Gohan is transformed into a giant ape by Goku's space capsule. Piccolo destroys the space capsule in the episode. Later, Dr. Briefs says that he finds Goku's capsule, intact. So Dr. Briefs' statement would be a retcon if you were following the filler as the story.MasenkoHA wrote:Does the Garlic Jr saga in DBZ count as a retcon?
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Beerus ordering Freeza to destroy planet Vegeta.
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