Why is the Jaco manga good but Dragon ball Minus bad?

[Totamo]

Like they were written by the same person and the same time period, why is the quality such a drastic shift?

Any theories?

[mute_proxy]

It wasnt bad, it was unnecessary and it messes with the previously established lore.

[DHM211]

Jacos manga dosent retcon a beloved tv special.

[nickzambuto]

Jaco was written out of inspiration. Minus was written out of mandate. Toriyama put effort into making Jaco enjoyable, but Minus he just sorta crapped out without thinking too much.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Because Jaco was more than just a bonus chapter, Minus would have been much different (hopefully for the better) if he had more to work instead of It being a bonus chapter at the end of the book. Would Jaco have been as good if it was just a single chapter?

[Gaffer Tape]

Jaco is a series that takes its time to introduce and develop its characters and story. It actually has characters and a story. Dragon Ball Minus does not have either of those things. It is nothing more than check boxes on a list of "things that happened in the past" that are actually drawn in comic form without any regard to developing characters or weaving an actual narrative together. Literally a quarter of its panel space is wasted on pointless character cameos or cutaways. And did I mention it has no story?

[HeroR]

Because Jaco was more than just a bonus chapter, Minus would have been much different (hopefully for the better) if he had more to work instead of It being a bonus chapter at the end of the book. Would Jaco have been as good if it was just a single chapter?

Pretty much. Minus suffers the same issue as History of Trunks bonus chapter in the original manga. Read and then compared it to the TV special.

[GreatSaiyaJeff]

Jaco was a fun fresh character, and while he is kind of a retcon in the DB world (ie Bulma having a sister) but nothing that would contradict the overall story. Minus on the other not only contradicts what happens in the special, but made Bardock into a character that took away anything that made him interesting. I mean it was nice to see Goku's mom, but she really didn't add much to the series.

[Draconic]

Because Minus is just a special chapter, one judged way to harshly at that, which is only there to introduce Goku's mother. Everything outside that is padding, cameos or references used in order to actually fill a comic.

Jaco is a full on series, with a story to tell.

Reverse the roles and have Minus be a series and Jaco be just a side thing meant to reveal Bulma has a sister and let's see how they turn out.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I wouldn't even call Minus bad, it didn't even do enough to be classified that way. It's just a random assortment of pages that loosely revolves around the events before Planet Vegeta's destruction. As Gaffer Tape said in his recent dissection, "It's not even a story". The question to ask here isn't "Why is it bad?", but rather, "Why does this even exist?"

[Cipher]

Because one is a character-centric comedy with room to move in whatever direction it pleases, and the other is designed from the ground up to serve as a fifteen-page prequel without a narrative of its own.

[Lord Beerus]

Jaco The Galactic Patrolman worked so well because it had much more time to tell an actual story with fleshed out characters. Dragon Ball Minus fails in nearly aspect because much like Gaffer Tape stated, it feesl much less like a story with fleshed out characters and more of a glorified checklist.

[Esfír Dedragón]

I haven't read Jaco, but when I found out that it was about an older sister of Bulma, I immediately lost interest in it and whether or not it's bad depends on your suspension of disbelief of yet ANOTHER unmentioned sibling.

It should have been an unrelated, stand-alone work instead of a prequel-PREQUEL to Dragon Ball.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I haven't read Jaco, but when I found out that it was about an older sister of Bulma, I immediately lost interest in it and whether or not it's bad depends on your suspension of disbelief of yet ANOTHER unmentioned sibling.

It isn't about Bulma's older sister, she's easily the least important of Jaco's main trio. You should give it a read sometime, it's a fun side story and you can knock it out in an hour, easy. The relationship to Bulma's family isn't even jarring.

[Chuquita]

Tights being Bulma's older sister didn't bother me. Relatives that move far away that you rarely ever hear from are not as unusual as one might think.

Minus is way too short for the story it was trying to tell. It would've been better served by instead of a rushed single chapter replacing that with just a character design sheet for Gine along with a summary about her character (since she seems to be the only big point to Minus) OR by going in the opposite direction and doing an entire volume fleshing out life on Planet Vegeta some more (which I can't see happening really because Toriyama seems to lack interest in it).

[sintzu]

OR by going in the opposite direction and doing an entire volume fleshing out life on Planet Vegeta some more (which I can't see happening really because Toriyama seems to lack interest in it).

They should've just let someone else do it if he didn't want to.

[Chuquita]

OR by going in the opposite direction and doing an entire volume fleshing out life on Planet Vegeta some more (which I can't see happening really because Toriyama seems to lack interest in it).

They should've just let someone else do it if he didn't want to.

I agree. And now that Shueisha is hiring more manga artists to do Dragon Ball content, I'd still like to see them have someone take on a life on Planet Vegeta manga in an official capacity.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

OR by going in the opposite direction and doing an entire volume fleshing out life on Planet Vegeta some more (which I can't see happening really because Toriyama seems to lack interest in it).

They should've just let someone else do it if he didn't want to.

I agree. And now that Shueisha is hiring more manga artists to do Dragon Ball content, I'd still like to see them have someone take on a life on Planet Vegeta manga in an official capacity.

The thing with Jaco is that it was a brand new (Dragon Ball) story penned and drawn by the author himself. DBM was meant to serve as an additional incentive for Jaco, and that doesn't really work if an imitation is the one behind Minus.

[Chuquita]

Maybe having just a character design and summary for Gine by Toriyama instead would've worked out better then?

[WittyUsername]

Maybe having just a character design and summary for Gine by Toriyama instead would've worked out better then?

If it was really that important that fans learn who Goku's mom is, that probably would've been for the best.

Frankly though, I still wish that Toriyama would've just left Goku's backstory alone. I know he didn't write the Bardock special, but he apparently loved it enough to incorporate the character into the manga, so why go through the trouble of retconning it with a story that pretty much everyone agrees is inferior?