Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

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Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by jcogginsa » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:07 pm

Dragonball, like most long running shonen shows, has had plenty of villains over the years, but who would you classify as the main villains of the series?

the Z era is easy. Frieza, Cell, and Buu are the obvious picks. What about the others through? Who do you think are the other main villains of Dragonball?

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by ABED » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:58 pm

The main villains are the villains of each arc. Goku doesn't have an arch villain like The Joker or Lex Luthor.
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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by jcogginsa » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:06 pm

ABED wrote:The main villains are the villains of each arc. Goku doesn't have an arch villain like The Joker or Lex Luthor.
what about Arcs with Multiple villains?

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by Akyon » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:12 pm

I read someone else on Kanzenshuu suggested the answer was Goku's insatiable desire for battle. Half the dangers the gang end up facing are either caused directly or indirectly by Goku's drive to challenge himself.

Personally I think it's the incompetency of the Gods:
-Kami was responsible for Piccolo Damiou's existence and was really the only one strong enough to stop him...but didn't bother to even trap him for some reason.
-Shin states he COULD take Frieza out in one blow in the Buu arc but just didn't care about mortal life enough to do so.
-Shin is also responsible for Buu being revived in the first place due to his interference with Gohan vs. Spopovitch.
-Beerus who should be responsible for destroying people who upset the balance of his universe happily made Frieza his lacky and used him to do his dirty work(not that Frieza disliked it but still) whilst he napped.
-He should also have tried to prevent Time travel since it's one of the worst godly sins so Cell should have really been destroyed by him...
-Zamasu was a villainous god who actively tried to murder everyone for little reason.
-Gowasu is largely responsible for not being able to show Zamasu the error of his initial ways as well as introducing him to the time rings before he was made a Supreme Kai
-Elder Kai hasn't tutored Shin in creating worlds even one single bit so Universe 7's mortal level is super low.
-Beerus conversely blows up way too many planets for next to no reason keeping that mortal level low.
-Beerus and Champa's little tournament spat ended up catching Zeno's eye and may have been the initial idea for the Tournament of Power
-Zeno is flat out genociding everyone for funsies.

That leaves what...Dende and King Kai as the only gods with any focus who haven't accidentally made everything worse?
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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by ABED » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:29 pm

I read someone else on Kanzenshuu suggested the answer was Goku's insatiable desire for battle. Half the dangers the gang end up facing are either caused directly or indirectly by Goku's drive to challenge himself.
It's not a western culture superhero story.
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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by precita » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:36 pm

Freeza, Cell and Buu. That's easy.

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by ABED » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:51 pm

Aren't you forgetting Vegeta?
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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by Freeza Soldier #156 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:30 pm

precita wrote:Freeza, Cell and Buu. That's easy.
What happened to the entire first portion of the series?

Pilaf, RRA, Crane Hermit gang, Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo Jr., the Saiyans (Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta), Freeza, Androids, Cell, Majin Buu

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by WittyUsername » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:21 pm

At this point, Freeza might as well be considered the main villain of the series on the count of how he just keeps coming back.

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by sintzu » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:05 pm

Pilaf's gang, the RRA, King Piccolo & Piccolo JR.

I'm not sure weather or not Tien was a villain or just a nasty fighter in the torunament. He wasn't killing people or putting lives at risk so would he be considered a villain ?
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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by jcogginsa » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:27 am

The main villains, in my view are

1. Pilaf
2. King Piccolo
3. Frieza
4. Cell
5. Buu

Getting into Super and GT
6. Zamasu
7. Baby
8. Super 17
9. Syn Shenron

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by TheZFighter » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:32 am

Pilaf > RRA > Piccolo > Frieza > Cell > Buu
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Goku, Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, Future Trunks, Android 18, Goten, Trunks and Majin Buu.

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:35 am

Firstly, you can't add "to you" to this question, it doesn't make any sense. It's like asking "What color is orange to you?". Nitpicking aside, there is no main villain in Dragon Ball. You can't have a main villain in a series where villains are always dropped after their respective arcs. Even the two cases of villains that have had focus in multiple arcs, they have nothing to do with the majority of the world's threats.
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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by jcogginsa » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:40 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Firstly, you can't add "to you" to this question, it doesn't make any sense. It's like asking "What color is orange to you?". Nitpicking aside, there is no main villain in Dragon Ball. You can't have a main villain in a series where villains are always dropped after their respective arcs. Even the two cases of villains that have had focus in multiple arcs, they have nothing to do with the majority of the world's threats.
I'm aware that there is no Main Villain. That's why the title is main VillainS


As for your first point,
Do tournement foes count as main villains?
Do characters who turn good later count as Main Villains
Is Ginyu a Main villain or is his arc part of Frieza's?
Can non-Combatants be considered main villains?

All of these variables are dependent on the person

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:48 am

jcogginsa wrote:I'm aware that there is no Main Villain. That's why the title is main Villain"S"
That doesn't have anything to do with my point.
jcogginsa wrote:As for your first point:

Do tournament foes count as main villains?
Do characters who turn good later count as Main Villains
Is Ginyu a Main villain or is his arc part of Frieza's?
Can non-Combatants be considered main villains?

All of these variables are dependent on the person.
As the ol' saying goes; "Words mean things." No, it's not up to the individual to decide who an antagonist is. What you can do is reason it out, decide who a villain is based on whether they fit the definition or not, and discuss the implications, or even disagree on the categorizations, if that's where you want to take it. I'd submit that the correct question to ask is "Who are the villains of Dragon Ball?", or possibly, "Which Dragon Ball villain has the most impact on the series as a whole?"
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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by jcogginsa » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:58 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
jcogginsa wrote:I'm aware that there is no Main Villain. That's why the title is main Villain"S"
That doesn't have anything to do with my point.
jcogginsa wrote:As for your first point:

Do tournament foes count as main villains?
Do characters who turn good later count as Main Villains
Is Ginyu a Main villain or is his arc part of Frieza's?
Can non-Combatants be considered main villains?

All of these variables are dependent on the person.
As the ol' saying goes; "Words mean things." No, it's not up to the individual to decide who an antagonist is. What you can do is reason it out, decide who a villain is based on whether they fit the definition or not, and discuss the implications, or even disagree on the categorizations, if that's where you want to take it. I'd submit that the correct question to ask is "Who are the villains of Dragon Ball?", or possibly, "Which Dragon Ball villain has the most impact on the series as a whole?"
1. Yes it does. You were acting like I was asking who the main villain of the show is. That was never the question as you imply
2. And if people reason it out differently, they will come up with different answers. Hence "To you"

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by LightBing » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:00 am

If the Dragon Balls were people, they would be it. They propel a bunch of characters to do evil or more evil and the heroes to be influenced by them. Like Piccolo telling Super Boo to kill every Earthling.

Second choice would be Goku, he puts others constantly in danger to satisfy his selfish needs and is a magnet to danger, although the later isn't his fault.

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Re: Who, to you, are the main villains of Dragonball?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:59 am

Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, and Buu. Especially Vegeta. Before Piccolo the arcs didn't really have main villains, just a collection of bit-part bad guys and assorted jerks. There are other arc villains after Buu, like all the GT and Super villains, but I consider them to be a lower level for several reasons. Mainly because their arcs aren't in the manga, their arcs are shorter, and they've all had a far smaller impact than any of the five I cited. Those five are decently well known in popular culture and show up in pretty much all Dragon Ball merchandise, video games, etc.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:40 pm

Commander Red, Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, Cell and Majin Boo.

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