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Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by samuraix123 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:18 pm

Hey everyone! I started watching GT again after a zillion years because the last time I watched it, it kinda aggravated me. but after rewatching it again and enjoying it thus far I had to ask, Is this part of the series over-hated? Now I admit it definitely feels different than the other parts of the series but I don't hate it like I once did. Goku being a kid again never bothered me and In my opinion super saiyan 4 looks more original and unique than anything Super has produced. Super Saiyan God was cool but then blue, pink, silver..come on...lol I'm not saying that GT is better than Super but i'm not exactly saying Super is better than GT either. I kinda wonder if Super will end up being the next GT? but there are moments in GT that I am actually laughing at like trunks having to dress up as a bride and trying to hide his voice. what's your thoughts though? do you still hate GT or do you find it more tolerable than before? no judgement either way. different folks different strokes haha
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by dbs fanboy » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:24 pm

I never thought GT was bad, and in fact, even now i have trouble on deciding whether super is better or not (i think it's currently better but hey it could be because super is the new thing and i have rewatched GT a lot of times in the past).

I do think it is overhated, hell i actually only realized that people disliked the show once my parents bought our first computer.
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:28 pm

The more I go back to watch certain episodes of GT again, the more I appreciate all the little details I missed when I first watched the show. But at same time, I'm reminded of its glaring flaws which greatly damage my opinion of the show from when I first watched it. For what the does well, it does really well. But it just does too much wrong for me personally.

That being said, if they re-released the show on Blu-Ray, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. From the art direction, character designs, use of backgrounds and even the ED songs, you could really tell GT was a product of its time and that's quite frankly one of the more unique things about the show as a whole in all honestly.

GT is just one of those somewhat surreal and idiosyncratic entries into a long running story like Dragon Ball that you can hate and love at the same time for what it bring to the table. And I think, despite my overall negative view of the show, Dragon Ball GT something worth at least one complete watch-through and home video purchase.

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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by samuraix123 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:39 pm

I totally agree that if they released it on bluray It would be an instant buy also. I feel ledgic(is that how his name is spelled? i'm on a console) but he seemed like a wasted character? he looks great but excuted poorly
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:46 pm

I still dislike the show for being a huge letdown to GT. With Super, I didn't have much hopes for it.
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:04 pm

I never hated to begin with. I tend to like the series in the same amount. Though I must admit, the beginning of Dragon Ball GT is boring, to the point of being unwatchable, so I skip most of the episodes straight to Baby Vegeta saga.

I should watch Dragon Ball GT nowadays to have an updated opinion but that's the conclusion I have after watching it a few times years ago.

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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:31 pm

Only things I like in GT are first episode and SSJ4. Rest is unbearable to me, watched it for a second time a few years back and sincerely regretted it.

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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:37 pm

I feel like with DBS the "hate" for GT was kinda of overstated, it seemed more people enjoyed the show than it was made out, as evident by the video sales for FUNimation. Me personally never cared for GT much, not particularly interested in visiting it anytime soon my biggest turn off was the atmosphere of the show didn't feel right.

Regarding DBS, I doubt it will have a bad reputation it continues to grow strength to strength in every market so it is evident plenty of people still enjoy it and like Schemmel said once DBS is over people will see it has the definitive series i agree with him.

Anyway, while on the topic of GT, I am glad there are people out there that genuinely enjoyed it, even if one person in the world liked GT it means it wasn't a waste of time.

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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by MaskedRider » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:48 pm

I been re-watching GT recently as well and I don't HATE it but I wouldn't recommend it casually.

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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Hyena_Yamcha » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:33 pm

dbs fanboy wrote:I never thought GT was bad, and in fact, even now i have trouble on deciding whether super is better or not
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Shaddy » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:29 pm

I feel like GT is one of those things people like more for what it could be than what it actually was. It's not an unwatchable mess, but god does it have some stupid moments, in a completely different way than super. It's also just...kinda boring? It feels less like it uses Z as a jumping-off point and more like it's only wallowing in what that series established. The ending was pretty neat, and a lot of what it brings are good ideas in concept, but the process of trying to actually sit through the thing is just not a really fun experience. It doesn't help that it constantly has to have it's canon called into question. Nor does the whole "WELL SUPER SAIYAN FOUR IS THE BEST THING EVER AND JUSTIFIES THE WHOLE SHOW SO FUCK YOU" mindset from the hardcore GT fandom, that exists for some reason.
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Kuwabara » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:36 pm

samuraix123 wrote:I kinda wonder if Super will end up being the next GT?
The only people I ever see say stuff like this are on Kanzenshuu. I personally find it to be way more entertaining and inspired than GT, which is a chore to sit through. I also feel that, due to Toriyama's involvement and it coming out in the Web 2.0 era, Super will be way more relevant than GT in the long run.
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by TheMikado » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:51 pm

Well SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta are the top two characters in Dokkan, even above SSB Vegetto, SSJ Gogeta, and Broly... so it’s hard to argue GT isn’t well liked, popular, or relevant.

The fact of the matter is when talking sales or merchandising GT still sells and SSJ4 alone sells a lot. In the West it’s wasnt hated to the extent that was claimed. Nick toons was hitting record numbers with its Kai/GT block. And GT continues to hold the record in DVD sales and I believe online streaming services. Although I’m not sure since Super is available primarily online.

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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Cipher » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:54 pm

More than "never hated it," I've always liked it. It's quite flawed, but ultimately gets by on tone and atmosphere. It's shocking how distinct its direction and identity wound up being for a purely company-driven continuation. It manages to carve out quite a bit of visual iconography too. In a lot of ways it's also quite a fitting, if un-Toriyama, take on where the various characters might end up.

In comparison to Super on an execution level, while the latter has higher highs, GT comes out as the better-directed series during most run-of-the-mill scenes by an inordinate margin. Last House days aside, it's quite a stylish show.

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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by ABED » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:56 pm

It really is rather boring. There are good moments, and plenty of funny and interesting character interactions. Though the pacing often feels as slow as molasses, I've never hated it.
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Kunzait_83 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:01 pm

Also never hated it. Never LOVED it either though. I always just found it interesting, but ultimately super flawed and a colossal waste of potential in many areas. But I definitely agree that overall I probably prefer it over Super if I were forced to choose, if only because of how radically unique and different it feels compared to Super's nostalgia-pandering and endless wheel-spinning. I'd rather have a noble, interesting failure that takes risks that don't ultimately pay off than I would a bland, mediocre retread of past glory moments that's more apt to play things nice and safe. Probably the absolute best non-Kikuchi music ever composed for the series as well, alongside Yamamoto's Butouden video game stuff.

I will say though that that Son Goku Jr. special is easily my single least favorite piece of anime from the original run. Bleh. Awful.
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by ABED » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:26 pm

I'd rather have a noble, interesting failure that takes risks that don't ultimately pay off than I would a bland, mediocre retread of past glory moments that's more apt to play things nice and safe.
Pretty much my thoughts. I think for years I would've loved if DB continued, but after years of disappointing continuations, I've come to dislike them. Nearly all of them have been big disappointments for the reason you mentioned.
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:30 pm

ABED wrote:
I'd rather have a noble, interesting failure that takes risks that don't ultimately pay off than I would a bland, mediocre retread of past glory moments that's more apt to play things nice and safe.
Pretty much my thoughts. I think for years I would've loved if DB continued, but after years of disappointing continuations, I've come to dislike them. Nearly all of them have been big disappointments for the reason you mentioned.
Agreed here as well. For years as a child, I imagined what DB would be like if it continued. And I just look at Super like "...really? this is what we got?"

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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by samuraix123 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:50 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:Also never hated it. Never LOVED it either though. I always just found it interesting, but ultimately super flawed and a colossal waste of potential in many areas. But I definitely agree that overall I probably prefer it over Super if I were forced to choose, if only because of how radically unique and different it feels compared to Super's nostalgia-pandering and endless wheel-spinning. I'd rather have a noble, interesting failure that takes risks that don't ultimately pay off than I would a bland, mediocre retread of past glory moments that's more apt to play things nice and safe. Probably the absolute best non-Kikuchi music ever composed for the series as well, alongside Yamamoto's Butouden video game stuff.

I will say though that that Son Goku Jr. special is easily my single least favorite piece of anime from the original run. Bleh. Awful.
I agree with you here. You got me nervous to rewatch that special now LOL I remembering hating it so much lol
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Re: Do you still hate Dragonball GT?

Post by Kunzait_83 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:56 pm

ABED wrote:Pretty much my thoughts. I think for years I would've loved if DB continued, but after years of disappointing continuations, I've come to dislike them. Nearly all of them have been big disappointments for the reason you mentioned.
Dbzfan94 wrote:Agreed here as well. For years as a child, I imagined what DB would be like if it continued. And I just look at Super like "...really? this is what we got?"
I know, I know, I'm a broken record on this.... but I remain eternally flabbergasted at exactly why it is that so. Utterly. Many. Of you. Were somehow still positively THIRSTING for more of this after close to five hundred someodd fucking episodes of anime and 40+ volumes of manga. I just compare and contrast these sentiments to what it was like among most fans back in the mid 90s when the series originally ended, where the overall sentiment was generally and largely "Yeah, I really dug this, but it definitely overstayed its welcome by more than a fair bit."

Even for my own part, as someone who was nowhere NEAR as down on GT as some, as someone who really, really loved the Cell and Boo material, when the dust had finally settled by '97... my feeling at the time, and in all the years ever since then, has generally always been "Yeah, I think we're all good and done here."

I mean, all differences with the dub aside, 400 to 500-something episodes of just about anything, particularly when that anything is serialized, is still a fucking GARGANTUAN density of material any which possible way you slice it. How does that sheer volume of content somehow not fill up and satisfy just about anyone? :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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