Its very similar to the old Saban/Ocean dub of Z (which followed almost immediately after the Pilaf dub). Same voice cast (with the same actress who voiced Gohan in Z voicing Pilaf-era Goku, as well as all the same voices for Oolong, Muten Roshi, Bulma, Yamucha, etc), as well as the same heavy use of 90s digital effects to redraw and censor various scenes, particularly any involving sexual humor (which in the Pilaf arc is beyond plentiful). One particularly infamous shot showing Oolong (transformed into a fish) biting onto Bulma's panties on the end of a fishing line was redrawn to turn the panties into a dollar bill.KBABZ wrote:Interesting, any examples? For self-explanatory reasons it's a bit hard to watch that dub and get a feel for it.
Also the Kikuchi score was likewise junked completely and replaced with similarly generic crap along the same lines as what was in the Saban/Ocean Z dub.
All kinds of stuff along those lines.
I'm sure you can dig around online and find clips if not whole episodes from this dub. Or hell, even pick up a DVD set off Amazon or ebay if you're somehow THAT curious. I can't imagine it fetches especially high prices.
There's those, there's Bad Lieutenant, there's The Sopranos, there's Oz (the HBO show), Mad Men, A Clockwork Orange, Taxi Driver, Citizen Kane, Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer, The Limey, Fight Club, Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, A Better Tomorrow, Ichi the Killer, Gozu, Man Bites Dog, The King of Comedy, Unforgiven, Thief, To Live and Die in L.A., American Psycho, Natural Born Killers, No Country For Old Men, Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia, Lost Highway, Gone Girl, Nightcrawler, I Tanya, I Stand Alone, Election, Thank You For Smoking, Cannibal Holocaust, Men Behind the Sun, Ms. 45, William Lustig's Maniac, close to every movie by directors like Todd Solondz or Neil LaBute, virtually everything ever written by Marquis de Sade as well as a vast swath of J.G. Ballard's books, Richard Stark's Parker series, and on and on and on and on down an endless list.ABED wrote:Morally speaking, it's bad. But it's not real. It's a story and so it's okay to enjoy a story with morally questionable characters or even outright evil characters. Elmore Leonard made a whole career out of writing bad guys who you love in spite of their moral failings because they are so damn entertaining. Why would it take you out of the story? It only would if you see it as a superhero story or at least a story of good vs. evil.What makes the Androids different is that he knew for an absolute fact that they can and will slaughter millions of people, because from Trunks's perspective they already have.
Do you have a problem watching movies like The Godfather or TV shows like Breaking Bad?You keep saying that, and you keep being wrong.
A great many of the greatest and most compelling and challenging films, plays, TV shows, and books ever written or filmed center their stories around protagonists and central characters who are utterly repugnant and reprehensible monsters; and they're all the more richly rewarding and invaluable as narratives for them (not that I'm in any way remotely comparing Dragon Ball or Goku to any of those kinds of works, which are generally speaking of course on a WHOLE other level for incredibly obvious and self-evident reasons).
I'm gonna say it again though (since I've now been bringing it up more and more lately): a vast majority of people in this community, going back many years now, are most often people who don't engage with very much media (filmed or written) that isn't specifically made for children. ABED's a relatively RARE outlier example of a notable Kanz user who regularly references and clearly consumes a lot of more challenging adult media (which is always greatly refreshing and welcome to see here); but the OVERWHELMING majority of the userbase here, on average, very much generally does not. So I don't doubt that a giant chunk of the examples he or I could bring up here (even some of the most ubiquitously well known) will likely be all but totally lost on a depressingly large swath of anyone reading this.
So by and large, the vast majority of stories that are most familiar to the average, typical user here and are used most overwhelmingly often as points of critical reference are children's action cartoons and TV shows as well as summer blockbuster films like the Marvel movies, Harry Potter, Star Wars etc. Which is in itself a MASSIVE part of why a LOT of folks here in many of these discussions seem to have a great deal of difficulty parsing certain aspects of narrative media that are generally uncommon to most children's television shows or films, including anything that involves moral ambiguity, abstract symbolism, subtextual themes, or political/social commentary of any sort that's beyond a very after school special level.
I'm genuinely not intending or aiming to be a condescending ass here (though I'm more than fully aware that there's almost NO way to talk about this issue directly without sounding very much like one, which is a BIG part of why its been generally so difficult to bring it up and discuss it): its just a VERY key, underlying aspect of the reality of this place as an overall community (going back since quite a number of years ago now) that I've found over a long period of time now acts as a LOT of the reason for the disconnect in some of these discussions that we often end up having here.