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Post by Puaru » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:30 pm

Back in the original BD manga, as well as the anime adaptions, the female characters had very different chest sizes.

Some of them had quite large boobs like Bulma and ChiChi, while others like 18 and Videl were flatter.

But ever since BoG all these female characters have been drawn with the exact same body, namely the busty Bulma/ChiChi type. Seriously, you may not have noticed it, but it's true.

That's kinda stupid if you ask me, to make characters LESS distinct from each other, especially in a franchise that already has a well known problem of having a lot of characters that look very similar in terms of body type and facial features.

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Post by Doctor. » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:50 pm

Sizes may have gotten a bit less believable with some of the videogame characters like Towa and #21, but I at least appreciate that the series hasn't yet gone the way of many modern Shounen (and anime in general, really) of really humongous, unbelievably-sized tits for the sake of fanservice (in poor taste, most of the time) for the little 12-year olds in the audience.

Kale (and Kefla) would be exceptions to your observation, though.

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Post by Puaru » Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:58 pm

Doctor. wrote: Kale (and Kefla) would be exceptions to your observation, though.
I guess, but nevertheless all of the old female character from the original manga days have all been re-drawn to have the exact same body. Like, what's the point? Did the animators just failed to realize that these characters were actually drawn differently? Has nobody in production noticed this?

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Post by Doctor. » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:01 pm

Puaru wrote:
Doctor. wrote: Kale (and Kefla) would be exceptions to your observation, though.
I guess, but nevertheless all of the old female character from the original manga days have all been re-drawn to have the exact same body. Like, what's the point? Did the animators just failed to realize that these characters were actually drawn differently? Has nobody in production noticed this?
Well, I wouldn't say the characters varied too much in terms of breast size in the original series either. Toriyama mostly drew flat chests unless the characters were the centerpiece in some pervy gag scene. But regardless, like I said, modern Shounen have a tendency to inflate the breast size of their female characters and I'm sure that working on One Piece or other Toei shows most likely influenced the animators subconsciously.

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Re: Boobs

Post by sintzu » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:25 pm

Toriyama's new art style in general has gone downhill in a lot of ways compared to how it was during the original manga's publication. The best example is Videl's design in Z and Super, she doesn't even look like the same character anymore.
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Post by Draconic » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:49 pm

The female characters had kids so the boobs got bigger.
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Post by Jackalope89 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:48 pm

Draconic wrote:The female characters had kids so the boobs got bigger.
And Bulma's got saggy!

I'm too scared to comment on Chichi's.

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Post by KBABZ » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:59 pm

Jackalope89 wrote:I'm too scared to comment on Chichi's.
Chi-Chi's Chi Chis have changed considerably.

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Post by Robo4900 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:18 pm

Draconic wrote:The female characters had kids so the boobs got bigger.
Most women's boobs don't stay like that after the birth. Apparently, some even get smaller, but it varies from person to person.
It'd be pretty weird if three women independently went through this and all ended up at the same sizes, with most of them increasing, though. So, I don't think that explanation holds weight. Especially if Puaru is referring to Mai too.

Anyway, I think in general, the designs in Super have got very similar. I seem to recall hearing that the first Mastered Ultra Instinct sketch Toriyama drew was likely either a recoloured version of his Super Saiyan God drawing, or was traced over it, so I think even Toriyama is getting a bit lazy in this aspect... :lol:
In this specific case, it may just be the animators attempting to mimic(Or perhaps subconsciously ending up mimicking) modern shounen trends, similar to what Doctor has said.
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Post by CriticalThinker » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:35 pm

Guess that means Ribrianne is best girl since she's the most distinct looking female character currently. Jokes aside, as some others have said the reason why they look so similar is due to Toriyama's new art style. Also speaking of characters looking similar to one another I'm hoping that the new villain/antagonist in the upcoming movie doesn't look like Goku. It's bad enough we already have three Goku look a likes and I hope a fourth one isn't added to that pile.

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Post by Jackalope89 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:17 pm

CriticalThinker wrote:Guess that means Ribrianne is best girl since she's the most distinct looking female character currently. Jokes aside, as some others have said the reason why they look so similar is due to Toriyama's new art style. Also speaking of characters looking similar to one another I'm hoping that the new villain/antagonist in the upcoming movie doesn't look like Goku. It's bad enough we already have three Goku look a likes and I hope a fourth one isn't added to that pile.
Nah, he'll be evil, future Goten.

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Post by CriticalThinker » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:30 pm

Jackalope89 wrote:
CriticalThinker wrote:Guess that means Ribrianne is best girl since she's the most distinct looking female character currently. Jokes aside, as some others have said the reason why they look so similar is due to Toriyama's new art style. Also speaking of characters looking similar to one another I'm hoping that the new villain/antagonist in the upcoming movie doesn't look like Goku. It's bad enough we already have three Goku look a likes and I hope a fourth one isn't added to that pile.
Nah, he'll be evil, future Goten.
Even though Goten basically looks like Kid Goku I'd accept it as its better than a fourth Adult Goku clone. Who knows maybe this will happen, after all we got Blanco to become an actual thing via Ultra instinct, so anything is possible now.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:36 pm

Jackalope89 wrote:
Draconic wrote:The female characters had kids so the boobs got bigger.
And Bulma's got saggy!

I'm too scared to comment on Chichi's.
Yeah, they're too perfect for words.

But they all pale in comparison to Maron's.
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Post by KBABZ » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:38 pm

CriticalThinker wrote:Even though Goten basically looks like Kid Goku I'd accept it as its better than a fourth Adult Goku clone. Who knows maybe this will happen, after all we got Blanco to become an actual thing via Ultra instinct, so anything is possible now.
As much as I adore Kid Goku, I love Goten's long sleeves and his TFC dub voice. It's so adorable!

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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:43 pm

sintzu wrote:Toriyama's new art style in general has gone downhill in a lot of ways compared to how it was during the original manga's publication. The best example is Videl's design in Z and Super, she doesn't even look like the same character anymore.
The character developed and thus its design changed to show that development, I don't see how your example examplify Toriyama's new style going downhill. Care to elaborate, beyond saying that Videl in Z look more badass and like a fighter.
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Post by CriticalThinker » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:55 pm

KBABZ wrote:
CriticalThinker wrote:Even though Goten basically looks like Kid Goku I'd accept it as its better than a fourth Adult Goku clone. Who knows maybe this will happen, after all we got Blanco to become an actual thing via Ultra instinct, so anything is possible now.
As much as I adore Kid Goku, I love Goten's long sleeves and his TFC dub voice. It's so adorable!
While I do prefer Kid Goku over Goten I will have to agree with you on that.

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Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:26 am

Caulifla was definitely refreshing for this sake.
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Re: Boobs

Post by TheShadowEmperor8055 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:36 am

Bulma has big boobs yes, but wasn't Chi-Chi stated to be flat-chested by Goku?

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Re: Boobs

Post by Puaru » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:21 am

TheShadowEmperor8055 wrote:Bulma has big boobs yes, but wasn't Chi-Chi stated to be flat-chested by Goku?
It doesn't matter what's being stated, what matters is what's being shown.

Sorta like when the narrator said that "Gohan has now acchieved a power that rivals Goku's". Yeah right.

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Re: Boobs

Post by mahakaishin1991 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:07 am

Puaru wrote:Back in the original BD manga, as well as the anime adaptions, the female characters had very different chest sizes.

Some of them had quite large boobs like Bulma and ChiChi, while others like 18 and Videl were flatter.

But ever since BoG all these female characters have been drawn with the exact same body, namely the busty Bulma/ChiChi type. Seriously, you may not have noticed it, but it's true.

That's kinda stupid if you ask me, to make characters LESS distinct from each other, especially in a franchise that already has a well known problem of having a lot of characters that look very similar in terms of body type and facial features.
18 and videl, flat?

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not with that shading under the chest or that side angle.

They're no Rangiku Matsumoto, but they had good figures. What's happened lately has been more a change in character design in clothing. Videl always had baggier clothes, and 18s jacket and dark top made any sort of boob line or shading impossible to notice. Youd only see it when the denim was off and she turned sideways

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