The orange bricks are these:FutureTrunks wrote:(still learning the terminology) but what is the "orange brick" mean?
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The worst release of DBZ ever.
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The orange bricks are these:FutureTrunks wrote:(still learning the terminology) but what is the "orange brick" mean?
Oh.. I own all those. Got them as a set. Why bad release?Forte224 wrote:The orange bricks are these:FutureTrunks wrote:(still learning the terminology) but what is the "orange brick" mean?
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The worst release of DBZ ever.
They cropped the image so that it would fill the entire screen of a 16:9 TV, the "remastering" basically just being them making the image really bright and removing grain, and more. I don't remember what caused it, but something with their remaster process makes it so lines just disappear at times, usually when there's shaking I think? Here's an example:FutureTrunks wrote:Oh.. I own all those. Got them as a set. Why bad release?Forte224 wrote:The orange bricks are these:FutureTrunks wrote:(still learning the terminology) but what is the "orange brick" mean?
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The worst release of DBZ ever.
The Orange Bricks are also infamous among well-informed fans for being marketed around lies and taking advantage of fans who didn't know any better. For example Funimation claimed that they removed grain and used a side-by-side comparison as evidence (the "Before" still had grain added to it, the "After" was the original), and it was claimed to be done frame-by-frame (it wasn't, a computer did it via automation, hence the terrible comparison pics above). Funimation also claimed that they used an HD master, which was true, but they failed to mention that DVDs were SD, standard definition, and the colour grading often favoured white balance and brightness over anything else, resulting in detail being removed if it were bright and a green tint to the footage.FutureTrunks wrote:Why bad release?
True true, but it really only majorly affects the early episodes. I'll take a zoom hit on those over constant 16:9, personally.Forte224 wrote:All true except remember that the Blue Bricks are slightly zoomed in a sort of L pattern. Not as bad as the orange bricks, but it's cropping nonetheless.
Wrong!KBABZ wrote:In the case of GT's Green Bricks, the colours were almost completely accurate.
The reason the Levels failed was almost certainly down to the timing of the release. No one wanted to buy Dragon Ball Z again in 2011.Bruma rabu wrote:Ok their masters aren't as bad as i thought but wouldn't it be level sets all over again? Another thing can you trust Funi with HDR?
Good point.Bruma rabu wrote:I was thinking of only the movies and not TV show. Most of them aren't full length ranging between 45-60 minutes so while 17 movies sound like a lot really it only equals to about 9 full length movies. While I don't believe film restoration is an easy thing anybody can just do, they could of done a proper remaster instead of just upscaling it. Its been 12 years since the DBox The Movies came out and no true HD version insight.
Except, all of the bricks were part of the same line of "Remastering"; everything was zoomed in to an extent, there was blurry filtering to remove grain, and the Japanese title cards you used to see on the old DVD singles were gone. Only thing that makes Z's worse is that they did a cheap film transfer with it, instead of just filtering an existing DigiBeta master.KBABZ wrote:True true, but it really only majorly affects the early episodes. I'll take a zoom hit on those over constant 16:9, personally.
Sure. And while we're at it, why don't they just take their standard-def 480i DigiBetas of Dragon Ball and GT, upscale them to 1080p, and release those as "HD 1080p" too.Kuwabara wrote:I'd just like to point out that such a release wouldn't necessarily need to be based on a native 4K scan. Plenty of studios just do 2K scans and upscale to 4K as needed. You would never be able to tell the difference without seeing a native 4K scan of the same material for yourself.
Because that would make no sense? That's also completely different from what I'm talking about.Robo4900 wrote: Sure. And while we're at it, why don't they just take their standard-def 480i DigiBetas of Dragon Ball and GT, upscale them to 1080p, and release those as "HD 1080p" too.
Exactly my point.Kuwabara wrote:Because that would make no sense?
So you would prefer for Mad Max: Fury Road to be completely re-shot in 4K instead of being an upscale from 2K? I agree that shoddy sources generally shouldn't be gussied up through digital upscaling, but it's just more practical in some cases to do it that way, which is why it happens all the time. Arrow Video does most (all?) of their film scans in 2K, and if they were to ever do 4K releases, I doubt they would bother with new scans. Plenty of recent films have also been digitally shot in 2K only to be upscaled for home video later. You would never be able to tell. In the case of a 2K scan of Z's film being upscaled to 4K, you seriously wouldn't be able to tell because either presentation would be a notable improvement over previous releases. A 1080p upscale of 480i material wouldn't, and it's pretty disingenuous to suggest as much.Robo4900 wrote:Exactly my point.
Upscaling is ridiculous, and consumers need to take a stand against it.
Urgh, you know what I mean!Robo4900 wrote:Wrong!KBABZ wrote:In the case of GT's Green Bricks, the colours were almost completely accurate.
The colours are the same as the GT Dragon Box, and while those colours are nice, they aren't "Completely accurate". In truth, no materials we have these days have "Completely accurate" colour; it's all faded and distorted too much over time. Closest thing is tapes of the original broadcasts, but even those aren't perfect. And in GT's case, those tapes would be entirely useless, since GT was broadcast from the D2 master, which has always had very washed-out colours.
Urgh, you know what I mean!Robo4900 wrote:Except, all of the bricks were part of the same line of "Remastering"; everything was zoomed in to an extent, there was blurry filtering to remove grain, and the Japanese title cards you used to see on the old DVD singles were gone. Only thing that makes Z's worse is that they did a cheap film transfer with it, instead of just filtering an existing DigiBeta master.KBABZ wrote:True true, but it really only majorly affects the early episodes. I'll take a zoom hit on those over constant 16:9, personally.
Ultimately, the DVD singles are better than the "Season" brick releases in all cases, really.
They're not a bad release in the sense that you can watch the entire series affordably and your eyeballs won't be bursting because of the poor quality, but they are low quality for all the reasons stated in the above posts and from anybody well-informed on the different releases.FutureTrunks wrote:Oh.. I own all those. Got them as a set. Why bad release?Forte224 wrote:The orange bricks are these:FutureTrunks wrote:(still learning the terminology) but what is the "orange brick" mean?
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The worst release of DBZ ever.
No, I don't expect them to reshoot it in 4K, I expect them to just not release it in 4K. Doing an upscale is just manipulative, pointless, and as you say, dishonest.Kuwabara wrote:So you would prefer for Mad Max: Fury Road to be completely re-shot in 4K instead of being an upscale from 2K? I agree that shoddy sources generally shouldn't be gussied up through digital upscaling, but it's just more practical in some cases to do it that way, which is why it happens all the time. Arrow Video does most (all?) of their film scans in 2K, and if they were to ever do 4K releases, I doubt they would bother with new scans. Plenty of recent films have also been digitally shot in 2K only to be upscaled for home video later. You would never be able to tell. In the case of a 2K scan of Z's film being upscaled to 4K, you seriously wouldn't be able to tell because either presentation would be a notable improvement over previous releases. A 1080p upscale of 480i material wouldn't, and it's pretty disingenuous to suggest as much.
Is it a little dishonest? Maybe, but it's a cost saving measure I would gladly take over cropping 20% of the footage away.
I don't, actually.KBABZ wrote:Urgh, you know what I mean!Robo4900 wrote:[the colours are crap!]
Urgh, you know what I mean! [/quote]Robo4900 wrote:[the season releases are crap!]
What I meant by "completely accurate" is "completely accurate to the Dragon Boxes" which, unless I'm mistaken, are the gold standard when it comes to Dragon Ball releases.Robo4900 wrote:I don't, actually.KBABZ wrote:Urgh, you know what I mean!Robo4900 wrote:[the colours are crap!]
dragon boxes are the edition where the colors are the most altered even old tvrip or any actual airing using old master look better than the dragon box talking about colorsKBABZ wrote:What I meant by "completely accurate" is "completely accurate to the Dragon Boxes" which, unless I'm mistaken, are the gold standard when it comes to Dragon Ball releases.Robo4900 wrote:I don't, actually.KBABZ wrote: Urgh, you know what I mean!
Jeez, and I'm only just learning about this? Why has this never been mentioned anywhere like the DBox review on the main site?HakkaiBills93 wrote:dragon boxes are the edition where the colors are the most altered even old tvrip or any actual airing using old master look better than the dragon box talking about colors
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.Original Thread Topic wrote:Did Dragon Ball ever motivate you to exercise?