A16 should be in ToP instead of Tenshinhan

[KBABZ]

In the anime, at least, Number 8 has an organic base. General White talks about how "he was brought back to life." He's not the same as 16.

I think in general that can be inferred from his Frankenstein design, who was organic in origin.

[Kamiccolo9]

In the anime, at least, Number 8 has an organic base. General White talks about how "he was brought back to life." He's not the same as 16.

I think in general that can be inferred from his Frankenstein design, who was organic in origin.

Well yeah, but I like to have actual dialogue backing me up.

[TobyS]

In the anime, at least, Number 8 has an organic base. General White talks about how "he was brought back to life." He's not the same as 16.

I think in general that can be inferred from his Frankenstein design, who was organic in origin.

Well yeah, but I like to have actual dialogue backing me up.

If it's not stated either way the fact that he was brought back and 16 wasn't kinda does prove it. That's the point.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Jaco should've replaced Tenshinhan. He's a lot of fun to watch on screen and we haven't seen him in any actual action since the Resurrection 'F' movie.

[blain218]

Jaco should've replaced Tenshinhan. He's a lot of fun to watch on screen and we haven't seen him in any actual action since the Resurrection 'F' movie.

But isn't Jaco only as strong as a Freeza soldier from the Namek saga? He would get one-shotted by anyone in the ToP.

[KBABZ]

If it's not stated either way the fact that he was brought back and 16 wasn't kinda does prove it. That's the point.

16 never had a chance to. The wish was specifically for everyone killed by Buu, which would exclude 16 since he died seven years before that point.

[Kamiccolo9]

If it's not stated either way the fact that he was brought back and 16 wasn't kinda does prove it. That's the point.

16 never had a chance to. The wish was specifically for everyone killed by Buu, which would exclude 16 since he died seven years before that point.

16 wasn't brought back by the wish to revive everyone killed by Cell, either.

[Vegard Aune]

In the anime, at least, Number 8 has an organic base. General White talks about how "he was brought back to life." He's not the same as 16.

I think in general that can be inferred from his Frankenstein design, who was organic in origin.

Well yeah, but I like to have actual dialogue backing me up.

I mean, 17 was surprised that 16 was 100% mechanic, and wondered why Gero would go back to modifying humans if he had the capability to make fully functional androids from scratch. That at least would imply that most of his pre-16 creations would have also been cyborgs. Not exactly hard-line, undeniable evidence, but it certainly does point towards #8 being partially human.

[Pirina_Fusee]

Daiz. 7 says 8 is a cyborg, as well.

[Spider-Man]

What Tien need is a legit focus episode on him and not having him appear in the last minute. Also make his fight good and have him interact with other characters.

[Pirina_Fusee]

Actually, we simply don't know if 16 was revived. Either way he has no reason to encounter the main characters again - if he was revived he's almost certainly just frolicking with the animals now.

[Lord Beerus]

Did a little digging and it turns out that Daizenshuu 4 and 7 say #8 is human-based, like #17 and #18. It's not a plothole. My mistake.

[TheDipDap1234]

I would have replaced Tenshinhan or Roshi with Future Trunks instead. Imagine him teaming up with 17, 18 and Gohan. It would have been epic.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

How is arale existing now make 16's death a plothole?


Honestly I wouldn't have given 17 so much relevance in the TOP to begin with. All the characters should have had a body count equally. Especially Tenshinhan which I do think the series seems to screw over with Piccolo for whatever reason incredibly. How 17 of all people did better than everyone else was pretty absurd. I also would have preferred switching Roshi out for Pikkon. It just seemed too perfect of an opportunity to showcase him again.

[blain218]

How is arale existing now make 16's death a plothole?


Honestly I wouldn't have given 17 so much relevance in the TOP to begin with. All the characters should have had a body count equally. Especially Tenshinhan which I do think the series seems to screw over with Piccolo for whatever reason incredibly. How 17 of all people did better than everyone else was pretty absurd. I also would have preferred switching Roshi out for Pikkon. It just seemed too perfect of an opportunity to showcase him again.

Pikkon isn't canon. If you are gonna pick non-canon characters you might as well pick Broly. Also, there is no way all characters could reasonably have an equal body count if they are not equal in power. And Arale is a gag character, I wouldn't take any that happens with her seriously.

[Pirina_Fusee]

How is arale existing now make 16's death a plothole?


Honestly I wouldn't have given 17 so much relevance in the TOP to begin with. All the characters should have had a body count equally. Especially Tenshinhan which I do think the series seems to screw over with Piccolo for whatever reason incredibly. How 17 of all people did better than everyone else was pretty absurd. I also would have preferred switching Roshi out for Pikkon. It just seemed too perfect of an opportunity to showcase him again.

Pikkon isn't canon. If you are gonna pick non-canon characters you might as well pick Broly. Also, there is no way all characters could reasonably have an equal body count if they are not equal in power. And Arale is a gag character, I wouldn't take any that happens with her seriously.

I mean, he might be for all we know - the manga itself never says anything about what Goku was doing in the afterlife during the timeskip.

[Pantalones]

I mean, he might be for all we know - the manga itself never says anything about what Goku was doing in the afterlife during the timeskip.

He does say something about how he wasn't able to try out the Fusion Dance because there wasn't anyone he could fuse with. I can't remember the exact line but usually people seem to interpret this as meaning nobody in the afterlife was strong enough to fuse with him.

Of course, Paikuhan was way stronger than Goku's base form and physically very different, and the fusion dance requires equal powers (even a difference as small as Goten and Trunks' made Trunks have to tone his power down slightly to match Goten's) and works better when both fusees are physically similar. So it's entirely possible that somebody like Paikuhan could exist but Goku couldn't fuse with him thanks to the combination of those two reasons.

[DragonBallFoodie]

16 has moved on and is at peace, like Grandpa Gohan. They don't have a need to be brought back.

Tien has done well for himself, I feel.

[coola]

How is arale existing now make 16's death a plothole?

They are both androids, 16 wasnt wished back after Cell, but Arale was after Kid Buu blew Earth.

[Jackalope89]

How is arale existing now make 16's death a plothole?

They are both androids, 16 wasnt wished back after Cell, but Arale was after Kid Buu blew Earth.

Who says Arale died when Kid Buu blew up the Earth though? I mean, splitting the Earth in two is clearly child's play for her. It going "BOOM!" probably wouldn't do much to her physically.