Reason for Freeza's design in "Resurrection 'F'"
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Reason for Freeza's design in "Resurrection 'F'"
According to toriyama,he couldn't make it simpler so he changed it to gold because it seemed the strongest.
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I like how his goal is to make the designs as plain as humanly possible.
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It's still a pretty hideous color scheme, and man that drawing of Freeza... yuck, I hate modern Dragon Ball design, both TOEI and Toriyama.
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Really wish they'd would've dropped the purple/blue skin at least.
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Guess we know where all of Toriyama's designs are headed if Dragonball comes back. Expect them to be simpler and less original. Goku's new form makes him bald so Toriyama doesn't have to draw his hair anymore.Logania wrote:I like how his goal is to make the designs as plain as humanly possible.
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Goku Calvo confirmed.Timetraveller wrote:Guess we know where all of Toriyama's designs are headed if Dragonball comes back. Expect them to be simpler and less original. Goku's new form makes him bald so Toriyama doesn't have to draw his hair anymore.Logania wrote:I like how his goal is to make the designs as plain as humanly possible.
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Sorry but why creating a thread for this? This is old news, it had been documented in the Movie 15 page here in the very website.Hawk9211 wrote:According to toriyama,he couldn't make it simpler so he changed it to gold because it seemed the strongest.
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I love how Toriyama wants to keep things simple, as I'm a fan of simple designs myself. I just hope that eventually he will stop coming up with simple re-colors and focus on coming up with new power-ups/techniques in the same vein of Kaioken, Genkidama and Ultra Instinct. Basically I would like to see him going back to his approach before Super Saiyan became a thing, when he was always coming up with new techniques for his characters.
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I didn't like the design at first due to it being something of a simple colour palette swap.
Now I think it was the best thing to do. If they were going to have a Frieza movie then they couldn't really give him a new form that would make him look completely different from the Frieza everyone is familiar with.
So they kept looking like the iconic Frieza but just changed the colour and he does immediately look more powerful. Would I have gone with Gold....dunno but I'm happy enough with it.
Now I think it was the best thing to do. If they were going to have a Frieza movie then they couldn't really give him a new form that would make him look completely different from the Frieza everyone is familiar with.
So they kept looking like the iconic Frieza but just changed the colour and he does immediately look more powerful. Would I have gone with Gold....dunno but I'm happy enough with it.
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Indeed. The only relevance this has to "today" is that Golden Freeza's design was the April 18th entry in the Dragon Ball Official Site's "The Nearly Complete Works of Akira Toriyama". Jake tweeting it out wasn't because it was new, but because that just happened to be today's entry.Grimlock wrote:Sorry but why creating a thread for this? This is old news, it had been documented in the Movie 15 page here in the very website.
The quote comes from Volume "F", which was given out to theatrical attendees in Japan back in April 2015, and has indeed been cited on the respective "Movie Guide" page along with plenty of other information for quite some time:
"Since there was no way I could possibly make his design any simpler than it already was, I opted to mostly just change his color. This color feels strongest, maybe because I associate it with Gold Medals?"
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I agree that the design is ugly and hideous, but much like Semi-Perfect Cell, I think it's intentional. Golden Frieza is a form that he, at the time, had no mastery over, and was basically copying Super Saiyan. It looks like a cheap knock-off because in the story that's exactly what it is.
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I don't think Freeza can control how his forms appear.
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Frieza's wording, at least in the English dub, implied that he had some manner of control over what the appearance would be:ABED wrote:I don't think Freeza can control how his forms appear.
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So basically, it’s because Akira Toriyama is lazy. What a shocker. In other news, the sky is blue.
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Yeah, but not everyone reads all of these pages and watches every single bit of news, I know I personally didn't know about this. Seems like a fine enough reason to have a thread to me.Grimlock wrote:Sorry but why creating a thread for this? This is old news, it had been documented in the Movie 15 page here in the very website.
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Anyone is of course free to create threads and discuss any valid information/point/opinion. The only thing I'm trying to get across is that, in light of the indirect inference (by way of lack of context in the opening post) that this is somehow "new", that it's not actually a new revelation. Elsewhere people would just say "OLD!" and move on, so... ya' know... being Kanzenshuu, we're trying to provide that necessary context to frame things for a more worthwhile conversation.Asura wrote:Yeah, but not everyone reads all of these pages and watches every single bit of news, I know I personally didn't know about this. Seems like a fine enough reason to have a thread to me.
This is not a particularly worthwhile contribution.Okara wrote:So basically, it’s because Akira Toriyama is lazy. What a shocker. In other news, the sky is blue.
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Yeah he needs to look different and stronger than he was before, but still have that iconic "Freeza" look that he has always had. If he became big and bulky instead of Golden then it would go against AT's general designs he likes to have so it makes sense. (He likes making characters that are not physically intimidating being really strong)Bullza wrote:I didn't like the design at first due to it being something of a simple colour palette swap.
Now I think it was the best thing to do. If they were going to have a Frieza movie then they couldn't really give him a new form that would make him look completely different from the Frieza everyone is familiar with.
So they kept looking like the iconic Frieza but just changed the colour and he does immediately look more powerful. Would I have gone with Gold....dunno but I'm happy enough with it.
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Toriyama's drawing looks awful and Golden Freeza looked awful all throughout RoF, but they made the right choice by having him almost always have his aura on in the ToP (when he looks the best); and even in the scenes where the aura is off, he still looks decent due to the recent golden highlights.Asura wrote:It's still a pretty hideous color scheme, and man that drawing of Freeza... yuck, I hate modern Dragon Ball design, both TOEI and Toriyama.
Big and bulky was literally Freeza's 100% power.PFM18 wrote:Yeah he needs to look different and stronger than he was before, but still have that iconic "Freeza" look that he has always had. If he became big and bulky instead of Golden then it would go against AT's general designs he likes to have so it makes sense. (He likes making characters that are not physically intimidating being really strong)Bullza wrote:I didn't like the design at first due to it being something of a simple colour palette swap.
Now I think it was the best thing to do. If they were going to have a Frieza movie then they couldn't really give him a new form that would make him look completely different from the Frieza everyone is familiar with.
So they kept looking like the iconic Frieza but just changed the colour and he does immediately look more powerful. Would I have gone with Gold....dunno but I'm happy enough with it.
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Regardless of what anyone says, Golden Freeza will always remain a visually unappealing design, in my opinion. Dark purple and gold don’t go well together at all. If they were going to give Freeza a golden transformation, they should’ve ditched the purple.
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I don't agree. I like purple and gold together. Both are regal, which is fitting for Freeza.WittyUsername wrote:Regardless of what anyone says, Golden Freeza will always remain a visually unappealing design, in my opinion. Dark purple and gold don’t go well together at all. If they were going to give Freeza a golden transformation, they should’ve ditched the purple.
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