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Your Personal Canon

Post by simtek34 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:48 pm

Yeah, it’s another one of these threads. After the latest news of the past 24 hours with a certain Saiyan, I thought it was appropriate to do one of these. I’ll start now.

My Canon:
Dr. Slump Manga
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman (and Dragon Ball -)
Dragon Ball Manga (tankobon)
Neko Majin
Dragon Ball: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return! Manga
Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods
Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’
Dragon Ball Super Manga (Starting form Chapter 5)
Dragon Ball Super: Broly
Dragon Ball Online
And any other tidbits form interviews with Akira Toriyama

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Grimlock » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:54 pm

• Gine (without Dragon Ball Minus).
Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman.
• Dragon Ball manga.
Dragon Ball: Yo!! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!.
• Movie 14.
• Dragon Ball Online.

I would normally consider Movie 15 as well, but seeing how it just contibutes to this nonsense that the "main series" has become these days, I'll leave it out with the rest of the crap works that have been released after 2014.

With due time, I might start consider Heroes' Dark Demon Realm and Prison Planet saga (and whatever more interesting sagas they can come up with), but we shall see.

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Forte224 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:14 pm

I have to be critical here, do we really need another thread about canon? It's been discussed to death the past couple weeks it seems like. It's getting kind of tiresome. Mainly because nothing good or worthwhile ever comes from these discussions. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic.

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by sintzu » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:17 pm

Dragon Ball anime.

Dragon Ball Z Kai anime.

Bardock the father of Goku special.

The history of Trunks special.

Dragon Ball Z Battle of gods.

Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F.

Dragon Ball Super (EP28 onward).

Dragon Ball Super Broly.
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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Dbzfan94 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:18 pm

Bardock the Father of Goku
Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Z
Bojack Unbound
Wrath of the Dragon
Goku and Friends Return
Dragon Ball GT

Everything else is irrelevant for all I care

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by ABED » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:30 pm

I don't have a personal canon as there is no such thing. I do have a preference of what material I think adds to the original story. In addition to Toriyama's original story, I like bits of fight filler like Tenshinhan countering Goku's boston crab, I like Gohan training before the Saiyans. Hell, I prefer the pendulum room depiction of a wartorn Planet Vegeta (assuming that was Vegeta) to the technologically advanced Planet Vegeta in the Bardock TV special. Lastly, I like parts of GT, but it's not so good that it's my perferred depiction of how Goku's story keeps going. And again, these are my preferences, but they aren't canon.
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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by DHM211 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:36 pm

Jaco Manga
DB anime
DBZ Kai(International cut, not including the villains in hell scenes)
Z TV Specials
DBS Episodes 1 - 15
DBZ Resurrection ’F’ movie(Future Trunks Special Edition)
DBS Episodes 28 - 68, 70 - 131

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by STH » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:28 pm

ABED wrote:I don't have a personal canon as there is no such thing. I do have a preference of what material I think adds to the original story. In addition to Toriyama's original story, I like bits of fight filler like Tenshinhan countering Goku's boston crab, I like Gohan training before the Saiyans. Hell, I prefer the pendulum room depiction of a wartorn Planet Vegeta (assuming that was Vegeta) to the technologically advanced Planet Vegeta in the Bardock TV special. Lastly, I like parts of GT, but it's not so good that it's my perferred depiction of how Goku's story keeps going. And again, these are my preferences, but they aren't canon.
I agree with you.
I don't have a personal canon as there is no such thing. I do have a preference of what material I think adds to the original story.
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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by KBABZ » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:47 pm

Taking a different tack, this is how I manage all the various different continuities (considering that there is no solid canon as such).

"Core"iyama
  • Dragon Ball Minus
  • Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
  • Dragon Ball manga / Dragon Ball Kai
  • Trunks: The Story
--- BRANCH 1 ---
  • Battle of Gods Extended Cut
  • Resurrection of F Extended Cut
--- BRANCH 2 ---
  • Dragon Ball Super Anime
  • Dragon Ball Super: Broly
--- BRANCH 3 ---
  • Dragon Ball Super Manga
Anime Continuity
  • Dragon Ball Anime
  • Dragon Ball Z Anime
  • Bardock: The Father of Goku
  • Episode of Bardock
  • The History of Trunks
  • Yo! Son Goku and his Friends Return!
  • Dragon Ball GT
  • A Hero's Legacy
  • Dragon Ball Online
Movie Continuity
(works on some highly alternate version of the anime continuity, possibly including anime filler)
  • Curse of the Blood Rubies
  • Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle
  • Mystical Adventure
  • Dead Zone
  • The World's Strongest
  • The Tree of Might
  • Lord Slug
  • Cooler's Revenge
  • The Return of Cooler
  • Super Android 13!
  • Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan
  • Bojack Unbound
  • Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans
  • Broly - Second Coming
  • Bio-Broly
  • Fusion Reborn
  • Wrath of the Dragon

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Kaboom » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:03 pm

In very rough in-universe chronological order...
  • A freakish amalgamation of both the Bardock TV special and DB Minus.
  • Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
  • Dr. Slump
  • The original Dragon Ball manga story (with the Kanzenban ending).
  • The superior animated version of Future Trunks' special story.
  • DBZ Movie 13
  • 2008's "Heya! Goku And Friends Return" animated special.
  • Neko Majin / Z
  • GT Revised and its hypothetical counterpart Super Revised, in branching alternate timelines.
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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by emperior » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:58 pm

My canon is already in my signature, but I will actually explain it better here.

- Dragon Ball Minus. Chronologically it happens first, and it comes from Toriyama. Yes, Bardock’s special is superior but unfortunately this one contradicts many of the story elements from the special. The scene where Bardock challenges Freeza still appears in the manga, and it was 1:1 with the special, so I personally believe that, until proven otherwise, after Goku is sent to Earth, the events of the special which can fit with Minus still happened.
- Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman. Of course, it was written by Toriyama to fit with the canonical events of Dragon Ball, and it does indeed fit.
- Dragon Ball Manga. The definitive Kanzenban version.
- Dragon Ball Super. The anime version. This overwrites BoG and RoF, as Toriyama personally wanted the movies to be retold, thus it takes precedence over those and can be considered the true continuation of the original manga. This also includes the upcoming Broly movie too, as it is under Super’s brand and written by Toriyama.

I believe that the main canon, in Dragon Ball’s case, is made up of the stories coming from the original author or considered by him when writing new stories. Even if I dislike some aspects of the stories and even if there are some very good stories not from Toriyama. Therefore, when I think about Dragon Ball’s “true story” I consider these to be the pieces of media where one can read/see the real story. Of course I can also consider DBZ Movie 9 and 13 as canonical, as they fit with the main continuity and do not change or shape the story in any significant way, being self contained stories.
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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Skar » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:58 pm

My person canon:

Bardock TV special
Dragonball manga (519 chapters excluding the Future Trunks chapter)
History of Trunks TV special

I still enjoyed other parts of the franchise like some of the earlier movies, BoG, and Neko Majin but I prefer to view the rest as taking place in alternate universes.

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by DragonBallLove » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:16 pm

My headcanon:

Pliable time, everything happens, no such thing as contradictions. End of this.

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by shadowmaria » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:51 pm

1. Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
2. Bardock: The Father of Goku
3. Episode of Bardock
4. Dragon Ball
5. Dead Zone
6. Dragon Ball Z (up to time skip)
7. Cooler's Revenge
8. Dragon Ball Z (up to Trunks' flashback)
9. The History of Trunks
10. Dragon Ball Z (up to end of Cell Games)
11. Bojack Unbound
12. Dragon Ball Z (up to after Buu)
13. Wrath of the Dragon
14. Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!
15. Dragon Ball Super
(15b. Super Dragon Ball Heroes if the promotional anime is given a conclusive ending and not half finished)
16. Dragon Ball Super: Broly
17. End of Z
18. Neko Majin
19. Neko Majin Z
20. Dragon Ball GT (up to Goku leaving with Shenron)
21. A Hero's Legacy
22. End of GT

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by supersaiyandoctor » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:13 am

simtek34 wrote:Yeah, it’s another one of these threads. After the latest news of the past 24 hours with a certain Saiyan, I thought it was appropriate to do one of these. I’ll start now.

My Canon:
Dr. Slump Manga
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman (and Dragon Ball -)
Dragon Ball Manga (tankobon)
Neko Majin
Dragon Ball: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return! Manga
Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods
Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’
Dragon Ball Super Manga (Starting form Chapter 5)
Dragon Ball Super: Broly
Dragon Ball Online
And any other tidbits form interviews with Akira Toriyama

Follow along with your own Canons!

I have 3 personal canons. I'm more of the view point of different media being their own thing than saying something's not canon because it didn't happen in the manga. It's like saying (WALKING DEAD SPOILERS) Carl's death isn't canon because he didn't die in the comics.


The Manga Versions of: Dragon Ball, Super, F

Anime: DB, Z, Super, Bardock and Trunks Special

Anime: Movies and GT

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:17 am

Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Bardock: The Father Of Goku
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 394)
Dragon Ball Kai
DBZ Movie 8
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 417)
DBZ Movie 9
Dragon Ball Manga (Up to chapter 517)
Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return
DBZ Movie 13
Battle Of Gods
Resurrection F
Dragon Ball Super (Champa/Universe 6 arc onward)
Dragon Ball Manga (518 - End)
Dragon Ball Online

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Analytic » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:14 am

Bardock: The Father of Goku (over DB Minus)
Dragon Ball (original manga with Kanzenban ending)
Dragon Ball Online

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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Marlowe89 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:30 pm

There is no established "canon", only separate continuites and individual interpretations of those continuities. Here's mine.

Toriyama:
  • Dragon Ball Minus
  • Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
  • Dr. Slump
  • Dragon Ball (manga)
  • Future Trunks manga special
  • Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods
  • Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection 'F'
  • Dragon Ball Super (manga)*
  • Dragon Ball Super: Broly
  • Neko Majin / Neko Majin Z
Modern Era Toei:
  • Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
  • Dr. Slump
  • Dragon Ball (anime)
  • Dragon Ball Kai**
  • Dragon Ball Super (anime)
  • Dragon Ball Super: Broly
Classic Era Toei:
  • 1990 Bardock TV special
  • Dr. Slump
  • Dragon Ball (anime)
  • Dragon Ball Z (anime)
  • 1993 Future Trunks TV special
  • Dragon Ball GT
  • 1997 GT TV special
What-Ifs:
  • Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock and most of the OVAs
  • All movies released prior to 2013
  • All video games
*: Minor details of the modern films are sometimes retconned by the Super manga. Regardless, this still mostly works as a cohesive continuity.
**: May or may not include The Final Chapters, which contains minor details that are contradicted by the Super anime. Regardless, this too mostly works as a cohesive continuity.
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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by PremiumSalt » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:02 pm

My personal canon is a very strange mish mash of different versions, fanedits, and such, so bear with me. This is all specifically the Japanese version.

0. Dr. Slump (either anime or manga, I'm not that much of a fan so I don't have much of a preference, and I wouldn't include it in a rewatch, but some version of it occurred)
1. Dragon Ball Z: A Lonesome, Final Battle 'The Father of the Z Warrior Son Goku, who Challenged Freeza' (a.k.a. The Bardock Special)
2. Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
3. Dragon Ball (anime) Episodes 1-28, 30-34 (Hunt for the Dragon Balls Arc, 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc, and the opening filler episodes of the Red Ribbon Army Arc)
4. Dragon Ball Recut (fillerless fanedit by IAmTheMilkMan) Episodes 24-46 (Red Ribbon Army Arc)
5. Dragon Ball (anime) Episodes 79-83 (Filler of Goku Travelling the World, 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc, Piccolo Daimao Arc, 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc)
6. Dragon Ball Z Episodes 1-36 (Saiyan Arc, personal fanedit of mine that removes the scenes in Hell, since it contradicts the later depiction of Hell in Resurrection F and Super)
7. Dragon Ball Z Kai Episodes 18-58 (Freeza Arc, beginning of Androids/Cell Arc or the "Trunks Saga" as FUNimation calls it, episode 58 is personally edited to remove the ending scene, which would have otherwise been repeated in...)
8. Dragon Ball Z Episode 110 ("License Mastery? Goku's Newest Trial" a.k.a. The Driving Episode)
9. Dragon Ball Z Kai Episodes 59-98 (rest of Androids/Cell Arc)
10. Dragon Ball Z: Galaxy at the Brink!! The Super Incredible Guy (Dragon Ball Z Movie 9)
11. Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters episodes 99-165 (Boo Arc, personal fanedit of mine that removes the scenes in Hell, since it contradicts the later depiction of Hell in Resurrection F and Super)
12. Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn!! Goku and Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z Movie 12)
13. Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods
14. Dragon Ball Z Resurrection 'F'
15. Dragon Ball Super Episodes 28-131 (Universe 6 Arc, Zamasu Arc, Torunament of Power Arc, and various filler)
16. Dragon Ball Super: Broly
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Re: Your Personal Canon

Post by Jackalope89 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:31 am

My canon is generally the main series (anime/manga, with the films being basically their own thing)...

But with Dragon Ball Minus in it too.

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