KBABZ wrote:Robo4900 wrote:They screwed up somewhere along the process and deleted every second frame from the master.
Wow, I get that anime is animated at 12 frames per second, all the camera pans and "global" character shifts are done at 24fps (something I've always found a bit odd about anime to be honest).
Most anime is animated on twos, but because of the high budgets and much longer timescales of the movies, a lot of the animation in the movies was done on ones, so crushing it down to 12fps actually destroys a lot of genuine animation frames.
HakkaiBills93 wrote:DB 1, 3-4: Funi HD master (more exactly zima BD as funimation web dl aren't as good as the bluray edition)
Incorrect. The Zima Blu-Ray has a higher bitrate, but for some reason Zima encoded it using MPEG-2, meanwhile FuniNow uses AVC. AVC is a more efficient codec, and while the bitrate used on FuniNow is lower than the BD, it's still rather high at the highest quality level, so the difference between the stream and the Blu-Ray will be negligible.
However, there is one additional factor; the Zima Blu-Rays use Spanish titles and text, while the FuniNow stream uses Japanese titles and text. So, you're better off streaming it from FuniNow.
HakkaiBills93 wrote:but for those others it depends
if you'd rather like having pal speed up conversion issues (kind of ghosting or something like that) than macroblocks then :
Z4-6, 12-13: Madman DVD single ok
if you don't like this kind of ghost issues and macroblocks less bother you than :
z 4-6 -12 funi single
z 13 madman (the only one that don't have pal conversion issue so is better in all way)
It's not PAL speed-up conversion issues that affect 4-6 and 12, it's that the tapes they were given were already at 30i, telecine'd to that on NTSC tape(For those unaware, this is the 3:2 pulldown process; it's a way of alternating between interlaced and progressive frames at regular intervals to get 24p film content on 30i tapes), and Madman were working with 25i PAL tape, so they somehow had to turn 60 fields into 50 fields. Instead of putting together something to run an IVTC(For those unaware: IVTC, or
In
verse
Tele
cine is the process of reversing the 3:2 pulldown. Used to be really hard to do back in like 2003 or so, but these days is utterly trivial), they blended some fields together to create a 25i PAL master. This means it runs at the correct speed, and on playback on a CRT TV, it'll look fine, but decoding it to progressive 25 or 24p for modern monitors proves very troublesome, as the way the fields blend together is a bit messy, and very difficult to get around.
The reason Z movie 13 doesn't have the issues I speak of is because it appears Madman did use an IVTC of some sort to convert the 30i master back to 24p, then as is standard for putting 24p content onto 25i PAL, sped it up by about 4.27%(Tidbit for those unaware: If it was 24 > 25, it would be 4.17%, but it's actually 23.976023976023976 recurring being turned into straight 25, thus 4.27%).
Anyway, the blended 4-6 and 12 are a problem, but it's not that bad an issue, still very much watchable. Naturally the NTSC Funimation DVDs of these movies aren't afflicted by these issues, but as is standard of Funi's DVDs at the time, the encoding is a bit crap, so the macroblocking may bother you. So, pick your poison.
HakkaiBills93 wrote:widescreen
here it depends too if you are purist or if you just want color nearest from the original
Toei remaster have grain intact , more natural colors and regular footage but more cropping and color cast (that can be solved by cc)
Funimation have less grain (but not big DNR either) , more image than toei one and better color even if it's dark and bright and remain few color cast too (crushed black can be correct, overbright i don't know if it could be lowered by an encode to get something near Toei ones)
so for me Toei is better but if you can't cc and want better colors, keep funimation ones
Funi did use some pretty strong DNR on their movie masters. Nothing close to what they did on the series, but still stronger than many would like. Toei seems to have either not used DNR, or only used it very lightly. On top of this, Toei's master is much clearer, much sharper, much truer to the original production, much more natural-looking, it's not afflicted by the crushing issues that Funi's prints suffer from(Which Funi exacerbated with the overcontrasting in their filtering)... Toei's master is just better in pretty much every way. Only area Funi wins in is that their OG Dragon Ball movie masters are 4:3, so either you've got a basically perfect 1.85:1 cinematic transfer, and a somewhat messy 4:3 open-matte transfer. Pick your poison once again, I guess? Though to me, the Toei one wins out pretty easily...
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