Robo4900 wrote:Realistically, the added tracks are only really for the US. If they wanted to cater to Canada, they'd have to stop trying to sweep the Ocean dubs under the rug...
The Ocean Dub had too many cuts so there wouldn't be a way for FUNi or anyone to release an uncut version of that dub without adding another audio track to cover the missing pieces (which someone has done online)
Besides that, US and Canada are both located in North America and that the ESRB applies to these two countries.
The Ocean dubs of the movies were uncut.
The Ocean cast did a dub of Z movie 3 under Saban that was cut, and in fact Funimation's in-house dub of that movie based their script off of that version, but the primary Ocean version -- and by far the most accurate and overall best of the dubs of that movie -- is the uncut Pioneer one.
Though, funnily enough, even the Saban version of Z movie 3 was actually not as cut as its reputation would have you believe, in fact it's several minutes longer than the uncut version... The only material it cut out was the brief scene of Tullece standing on Goku during their fight and telling him to give in, where Goku tells him that his name isn't Kakarot, it's Goku. The only other changes that dub made was actually adding stuff; the summoning of Shen Long was extended slightly using footage from episode 13 of Dragon Ball(Yes, really), the scene of Kuririn and Gohan putting out the forest fire was slightly extended by various means of rearranging shots and running bits at different speeds, a couple of extra brief scenes of Kaio, Bubbles, and Gregory were added when Kaio notices the tree being planted and when he tells Goku about it, and the scene of Kaio explaining the tree was slightly extended, all mostly using pieces of footage from the series.
But, regardless, the Pioneer movie dubs were totally uncut; the first three Z movies were dubbed uncut, and in fact using better scripts than Funi did. (Funi based their scripts for 1 and 2 off of Pioneer's scripts, but Funi did a real number on them, in their typical way of the time. And, of course, their script for 3 was based off the Saban script) In fact, if you grab the old Pioneer DVDs of these uncut movie dubs, and then you grab Funimation's "Ultimate Uncut" DVDs of those movies, you'll find if you set the track delays right, the audio tracks on one set of DVDs will perfectly sync to the other set of DVDs, because they use the same video master.
There is no reason to exclude the Pioneer dubs from any release of the movies unless you want to argue about bitrates on the DVD releases from the '00s.
Every other anime movie that has alternative dubs includes all dubs the licensor can put on there, on the disc(And Funi do own the rights to the Pioneer dubs. There's no roadblocks there, it's all just a matter of them deciding not to include these dubs). These days, Blu-Ray can handle the bitrates necessary to include the extra audio track...
If Funi are going to include a track with the US replacement score, then them not including the Pioneer dub is downright insulting. The track selection is easy to imagine... 1991 original Japanese audio, 1998 Pioneer dub, 2005 Funimation dub with US replacement score, 2018 remastered Funimation dub with Japanese score. ('Course, any fan knows the "2018" bit would be the same dub as 2005, just with fancy audio mixing and mastering to make it sound nice, and the Japanese audio instead of the Nathan Johnson score, but the casual fans don't have to know that.
Also, filling in pieces of cut dubs with other dubs and such to fit them to uncut footage is dumb and pointless unless the only audio you add in is music and SFX, and even at that, doesn't work at all if you're using a dub with a replacement score.
Dragon Ball is a goofy kids cartoon from a long time ago. You take it too seriously at your own peril.
Debate the plot, characters, adaptations, dubs, etc., criticise the home video, but never lose sight of the fact that it's all just entertainment. You're supposed to enjoy it. If you're not enjoying it, just walk away.