Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by floofychan333 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:11 pm

I did when I was watching DBZ, due to despising Faulconer's music. Kikuchi's compositions get somewhat weaker into the Boo saga but DBZ had some amazing BGMs, such as the one theme in the Freeza saga with its variations. Possibly the best BGM in the whole franchise.
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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:29 pm

I have watched quite a bit of the English dub track with Kikuchi music on my Dragon Boxes, and that is mostly because even though I did see my fair share of the original run of Z's dub with the Faulconer score on Cartoon Network/Toonami as a kid in the early 2000's i really don't have that much of a nostalgic attachment to it. In general i believe that these shows should retain their original intended musical scores whenever possible, and the replacement scores of the variety that Faulconer Productions, Mark Menza and Nathan Johnson produced for the old dub are relics of an era long past. A time back during the early days of anime being a big thing here in the States in the mid 1990's where the musical scores were often changed, mostly in an attempt to cater to the specific audience they were aiming at with their heavily altered versions of the shows. This is not the only case where later, more accurate dubs of other shows have moved away from this for the most part obsolete practice, including the most recent dubs of the Sailor Moon franchise from Viz Media and One Piece under FUNimation.

Sure, the old dub of Z may be a wildly inaccurate product of the times. But i feel with the Kikuchi score i can at least bear it a little more than with the wall to wall electronic synthesized assault that the Team Faulconer score is.
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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:09 pm

I do. Moments where the old FUNi dub fights or meshes with the music are fun to spot, but in general it brings it one step closer to the series original composition, so it doesn't jar me in the moment.
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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:25 pm

BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:I do. Moments where the old FUNi dub fights or meshes with the music are fun to spot, but in general it brings it one step closer to the series original composition, so it doesn't jar me in the moment.
My thoughts exactly, even though the Z dub is very much a product of the era that it was produced in i believe the addition of the original intended score at least makes it easier to some extent to bear the green level acting of the in house cast especially during the Freeza episodes where they first started out.

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by NewKakarot » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:51 am

I grew up with the English dub, but over the years, it became extremely difficult to watch the series with the Faulconer score. Mostly because I also grew up watching the Spanish (Latin-American) dub, which used the Kikuchi score.

I began to notice that the dub score didn't fit quite as well. There are still some memorable tunes, but Kikuchi is just better. At least imo

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:55 am

Not really. It was nice to have before Kai but ever since the Kai dub came out it's been my definitive way of watching Z in English.
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Post by gokaiblue » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:05 am

Used to when I watched that dub. Surprisingly, I initially thought the silence madevthe performances "better."
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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by PacificOceanDub » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:07 pm

If anything, I feel like the movies work really well with the original score. The episodes are 50/50 in my opinion. It’s great at times, awkward during others.
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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by ZodaEX » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:00 am

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:Not really. It was nice to have before Kai but ever since the Kai dub came out it's been my definitive way of watching Z in English.
Kai has a Kakuchi and a non Kakuchi score too.

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by MasenkoHA » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:37 am

ZodaEX wrote:
Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:Not really. It was nice to have before Kai but ever since the Kai dub came out it's been my definitive way of watching Z in English.
Kai has a Kakuchi and a non Kakuchi score too.
I think Ireland knows that. They’re just saying Kai is their preferred way to watch the Z dub so the Z dub with dub music vs Z dub with Japanese music argument is moot as far as they’re concerned

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:44 am

MasenkoHA wrote:
ZodaEX wrote:
Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:Not really. It was nice to have before Kai but ever since the Kai dub came out it's been my definitive way of watching Z in English.
Kai has a Kakuchi and a non Kakuchi score too.
I think Ireland knows that. They’re just saying Kai is their preferred way to watch the Z dub so the Z dub with dub music vs Z dub with Japanese music argument is moot as far as they’re concerned
Same, with Kai's much improved dub it renders the Z dub w/ Japanese score basically not necessary at this point.

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by MasenkoHA » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:49 am

I feel like if you want to watch the Kikuchi score but with an English dub that would be a good enough reason since the Kikuchi score in Kai is kind of a mess and very limited.

Of course Japanese with English subs would be the best way to get the Kikuchi experience but people have their reaons for not being big on subs.

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:26 am

MasenkoHA wrote:I feel like if you want to watch the Kikuchi score but with an English dub that would be a good enough reason since the Kikuchi score in Kai is kind of a mess and very limited.

Of course Japanese with English subs would be the best way to get the Kikuchi experience but people have their reaons for not being big on subs.
I definitely prefer the Yamamoto score for Kai, of course that only applies to Parts 1-4 as they came before the scandal happened which forced the quick insertion of the Kikuchi tracks into the show in Japan first and then here on the later Part sets and the re release of the Season 1 set in 2012.

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by Gligarman » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:07 pm

I don't watch the dub at all so I guess my answer is no. But if I did I would watch it with the Kikuchi score because I adore his music.

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Post by ZodaEX » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:51 pm

MasenkoHA wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:49 am
I feel like if you want to watch the Kikuchi score but with an English dub that would be a good enough reason since the Kikuchi score in Kai is kind of a mess and very limited.

Of course Japanese with English subs would be the best way to get the Kikuchi experience but people have their reaons for not being big on subs.
What's "Best" is very subjective though. What's "best" for you isn't necessarily "best" for someone else. For me the "best" way is to watch the show with my favorite voices and favorite score which are factually not the original Japanese voices. You're talking about your favorite and not necessarily the best.

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by XanatosVanBadass » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:14 pm

Only bits and it’s not a thing I’d do regularly. I can really only tolerate the Japanese version of Dragon Ball. Granted, I’m likely one of the few posters here who has not a single drop of nostalgia for the English dub at all. Or any dub for that matter beyond “remember how corny that was? LMAO!”

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by VDenter » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:23 am

If i was ever to watch the DBZ dub again, it would basically have to be with the Kikuchi score. The US score is unbearable and pretty much makes the entire thing completely unwatchable. The dub is still abysmal with the Kikuchi score but watching it with the US score is much worse. :sick:

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by linkdude20002001 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:14 am

I typically despise the FUNi dub for its low quality, for its general existence, and for all it’s done to this world...but I do feel nostalgia for it. As such, the only logical way to watch it is the version on the singles. Not ideal, but till FUNi releases the original broadcast version of their dub, it’ll have to do. The current version of the dub is too different, so it’s not nostalgic, which is the only thing it has going for it. And watching it with Kikuchi’s score not only clashes unbelievablely so, but it just makes me mad the whole time that THAT’S what we got for an English dub of one of the most popular cartoons of all-time. ._.
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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by ZodaEX » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:48 am

VDenter wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:23 am
If i was ever to watch the DBZ dub again, it would basically have to be with the Kikuchi score. The US score is unbearable and pretty much makes the entire thing completely unwatchable. The dub is still abysmal with the Kikuchi score but watching it with the US score is much worse. :sick:
No, the Japanese version is more unwatchable because of the super low sound quality.

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Re: Does anyone ever actually watch the Z dub with the Kikuchi score?

Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:42 am

ZodaEX wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:48 am

No, the Japanese version is more unwatchable because of the super low sound quality.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjyTM7rbJs

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDlQNRJOts

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnriaELk_pw



Yes, clearly this is so much more watchable than the Japanese version.

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