Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Boo?

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.

Moderators: General Help, Kanzenshuu Staff

Post Reply
User avatar
Gligarman
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 402
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:04 pm

Re: Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Bo

Post by Gligarman » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:45 pm

I don't see why not. He's one of the best villains in the entire series.
Top
User avatar
Kunzait_83
I Live Here
Posts: 2974
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:19 pm

Re: Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Bo

Post by Kunzait_83 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:53 pm

First of all, a quick reminder that back in the 90s (at Z's pinnacle) there was a LOT of promotional art that was very much along these lines:

Image

Take note of who's featured there along with Cell and Freeza.

Secondly, even as recently as the new Broli movie, there's a quick flashing montage of past series moments at one point, highlighting major antagonists of previous arcs.

They go:

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

But there are tons and tons of countless other instances where when the series flashes back to its major villains, Daimao is very much included right up front.

Put simply: Daimao has ALWAYS been counted for a very, very, very long time as among Dragon Ball's major, noteworthy antagonists. Oftentimes, so has Tao Pai Pai and Tenshinhan as well.
http://80s90sdragonballart.tumblr.com/

Kunzait's Wuxia Thread
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Top
User avatar
MasenkoHA
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6261
Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:38 pm

Re: Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Bo

Post by MasenkoHA » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:34 pm

I think Piccolo Daimou is only ignored as a major villain by fans who have the mentality that Dragon Ball doesn’t REALLY start until Z
Top
User avatar
RandomGuy96
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8862
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:57 pm
Location: San Diego, California, USA

Re: Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Bo

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:19 pm

Many, many video games only cover Raditz to Buu (as the podcast crew constantly notes), among other bits of franchise media (like the recut and reairing of the series that was Kai), so the mental perception of only starting there is not limited to the fandom. That may contribute to why Piccolo Daimao isn't often counted as one of the "big four" so to speak.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Top
Rebel_Yeh
Not-So-Newbie
Posts: 65
Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:49 am

Re: Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Bo

Post by Rebel_Yeh » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:39 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:First of all, a quick reminder that back in the 90s (at Z's pinnacle) there was a LOT of promotional art that was very much along these lines
Including in one of Shueisha’s Dragon Ball guidebooks:

Image
Top
User avatar
Super Sayian Prime
I Live Here
Posts: 2296
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:26 pm
Location: Hail

Re: Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Bo

Post by Super Sayian Prime » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:43 pm

No, because then the hack frauds at Shueshia and Toei would exhume his corpse for the latest shameless story arc.
"I like the money it brings in, but Dragon Ball Heroes is the worst. That's actually the real reason I decided to start working on new material. I was afraid Bandai would make something irredeemably stupid like Super Saiyan 4 Broly." - Akira Toriyama, made up interview, 2013.
Top
Goe
Not-So-Newbie
Posts: 75
Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:12 pm

Re: Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Bo

Post by Goe » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:13 pm

Of course. He is the first main villain since RR were an army, and General Red acted like an extra even he was the leader. In addition, Piccolo killed Krillin and Chaoz so is the first guy who killed Goku’s friends
Top
User avatar
AloversGaming
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 144
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:32 pm
Contact:
Contact AloversGaming

Re: Should King Piccolo be recognized as one of classic Dragon Ball’s main villains alongside Freeza, Cell, and Majin Bo

Post by AloversGaming » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:52 pm

The King Piccolo arc may be the best arc in the entire franchise.

King Piccolo's design is also amazing. Always been annoyed Piccolo didn't get his dads awesome shoulders :lol:
Top
Post Reply

Return to “General Franchise Discussion”