No. No one, literally NO ONE in here said that.Lord Frieza wrote:So we should do away with due process and just go with whatever feels right?
This has NOTHING to do with legality or judicial due process: in a court of criminal law, yes, it is ALWAYS "innocent until proven guilty". Unquestionably.
This ISN'T about criminal justice law though or court procedure: this is about how seriously the general public, as a collective, cultural whole, takes sexual assault claims. This is about changing NOT OUR LAWS, and NOT OUR COURT SYSTEM, but about changing SOCIETAL NORMS and culturally-ingrained assumptions and biases with regards to sexual assault claims.
Again, for the cheap seats: NO ONE IS SAYING EVEN REMOTELY TO HAVE ANY OF THIS SHIT AFFECT CRIMINAL JUSTICE LAWS OR JUDICIAL DUE PROCESS. Nor to abolish "innocent until proven guilty" precedent within a LEGAL SETTING.
People are talking about creating a social paradigm that isn't innately hostile and combative towards sexual assault victims, to a point where they feel they have to "hide" what happened to them for years, decades at a time until the emotional weight of it makes them crack.
These are two VERY separate and distinct issues. If you are unable to understand that at this point, you are intentionally not listening and you do not WANT to understand what people are saying to you.
Its been explained not just by me, but by several dozen other users here. In gross detail and with hard, tangible, real-world data to back it up.KBABZ wrote:Luckily Kunzait explained (much better than I could articulate) why victims have very strong motivation not to speak up about it.
And yet we're still going around in circles with this, because clearly, there is a sizable contingent of people who actually DON'T want to read rebuttals or explanations, who DON'T want to educate themselves and learn and see why they're not only wrong, but are (unintentionally and culturally) contributing to making it so difficult for sexual assault victims to come forward in the first place.
At best, what they want to do is to simply spew their ignorant-ass, shitheaded "opinions" out into the ether, completely unchallenged, and get a pat on the head, a cookie, and a participation trophy.
At worst... that's a WAY more lengthy and deeply fucked up can of worms in and of itself to open up, so I'll abstain for now from going there.
In either case though, its insufferable and nauseating when these people react with such pearl-clutching dismay and incensed outrage that anyone would DARE to not only disagree with their asinine, uneducated nonsense, but actually call them (rightly and accurately mind you) "dumb", "ignorant", and "contributing to, rather than helping, the problem".
We can have a cultural paradigm where swathes of the public inherently hedges their trust more with sexual predators, cowing/shaming victims into silence and allowing said-predators enough leeway to go on victimizing more people (men and women) for decades at a time... but GOD FORBID someone gets their precious feelings hurt because they're too lazy to take ten minutes to actually READ something first before they spew verbal diarrhea on the matter.
In their minds "My personal pride and ego getting mildly wounded by someone on the internet calling out my bullshit is WAY more important to me and matters WAY more than the pain and horror of what sexual assault victims go through daily."
And yet I'M the one who is "in a constant state of butthurt".
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
- Isaac Asimov