Vic Mignogna

[MasenkoHA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlD_Qj4TDFA

What are people's takes on this guy and his videos? He's a very open Vic supporter who is trying to accuse Sean, Chris and Monica of the same allegations as Vic.

I ask to eveyone linking to youtube videos, why can't you just transcript the arguments made in the video? If you had the time to watch it all the way through then you should have the time to write in decent detail (more than just a single sentence) what the youtuber points were.

I ask to everyone before posting a link to some Youtube video stop and think if the Youtuber they’re linking to has anything of value or interesting to say.


Spoilers: They don’t.

[Son Dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlD_Qj4TDFA

What are people's takes on this guy and his videos? He's a very open Vic supporter who is trying to accuse Sean, Chris and Monica of the same allegations as Vic.

I ask to eveyone linking to youtube videos, why can't you just transcript the arguments made in the video? If you had the time to watch it all the way through then you should have the time to write in decent detail (more than just a single sentence) what the youtuber points were.

I'd offer them some leway here, as a guy whose done transcriptions for work I can attest that actually they take quite much longer than it looks like it should. I'm reminded of the horror of 5 - 7 long hour transcriptions sessions over a video not even an hours worth. Although at least they're not as grainy as the business I had to deal with.

[Polyphase Avatron]

When I hear 'extreme left', I think of communist states like the USSR, which were responsible for some of the worst atrocities and highest body counts in history. By comparison, very few people today in countries like the US qualify as 'extreme left'.

[Kunzait_83]

I never said that both the alt right and the far left were exactly the same so I dunno why you calling me an imbecile. I know the social and political power differences but when it comes to social media, both can be very annoying.

First of all, I wasn't directly calling you, or any other specific user for that matter, an imbecile within that particular post: I took a couple of very generalized "both SJWs and the alt-right are horrible people" comments that I've been seeing peppered throughout this thread, and I was commenting on the overall "both sides are bad" stance that so many clueless people tend to have on the whole "SJWs vs alt-right" paradigm. And I ended off by saying that IF you're someone who genuinely believes that both of these two groups are legitimately equitable in the harm that they're causing (as a very GREAT many people online in general tend to), then yes, you - royal you - are a fucking imbecile.

The way that a ton of "political discourse" tends to go in a lot of online discussions, particularly on forums like this one, is that there is a great deal of "both side-isms" at play, where people will frame the current political landscape as "Yeah on the one hand, of course racism and Nazism are terrible and everything... but like these college feminists are also a HUGE problem cause like, they say things about my favorite video games that I disagree with and that makes me feel mildly self-conscious about being a white guy; so I dunno, I think they're both really bad and I wish they'd both just knock it off."

The problem I have is with the entire framing of pitting and comparing these two VERY disparate political extremes as if they are in ANY way on the same level as one another: because whether people like yourself intend it or not, for a lot of people out there who don't know dick about the world (and taking a look around just this forum alone, that's a positively blood-curdling number of people), constantly hearing these kinds of "both sides do it" complaining ultimately has the effect of setting up a false-paradigm in people's minds where "SJWs and the alt-right are just two sides of the same coin".

And that's the thing: when one group are literally MURDERING PEOPLE (to say nothing of actually helping to wreak legislative havoc on the entire country and fuck over millions of people's lives and social liberties) and the other are just an ultimately insignificant little movement of naive, overly-pampered college kids who are going through their "I just learned about inequality in the world five seconds ago" phase in their late-teens and 20s and are posting some dumb, cringy shit online as a result... putting forth "both of them get on my nerves on social media" front and center as your main comment on them is KIND OF burying the fucking lead and missing the raging forest fire for the one mildly scuffed tree.

But fine, since you clarified your particular stance further and opened yourself up to it: yes, I think that emphasizing more of one's focus on "both these groups kind of mildly bug me on social media" when only ONE of them are straight up viciously getting people killed or otherwise ruining their lives, and the other are just some dippy 22 year olds who are too overly-hyped up from reading their first ever Margaret Atwood or Alice Walker book and are saying some dumbass shit publicly that they'll no doubt look back on and cringe at in about 15 to 20 years from now... yes, I WILL say that that is, at best, kind of a fucking stupid, shallow, and myopic place to put the overall thrust of your emphasis. Particularly even MORE SO if, as you said, you're already well aware of the HUGE gulf of political/power difference at play between them: that kind of makes it even MORE ridiculous to still bemoan "Yeah, but they're both sooooo annoying for me to have to listen to on Twitter".

Its like living in an apartment in between the Manson Family on one side, and some partying teens on the other, and getting roughly equally upset at both of them for all the noise they're constantly making through the walls... without distinguishing from the fact that one side is just playing their music too loud, and the other side has tortured screams and shrieking emanating from the random people that they're butchering. One should probably override and take MASSIVE priority and prominence over the other when discussing it. One of those two things becomes exceedingly irrelevant in the face of the other.

Like, this ain't a college course...

I don't even know what the hell this is supposed to mean. People in this thread have already WELL long ago opened this whole Mignogna shitshow up to a wider political discussion: because lets face reality here, one of the BIG key reasons why so many clueless nitwits in here are still stubbornly making this into an issue at all is because they've internalized and personalized this incident, and wrapped it all up with their own (wildly misplaced) personal baggage regarding their own (deeply stupid and ignorant) feelings about the current "SJWs vs alt-right" political climate: most of this shit is hardly all that far removed from the same - again, MASSIVELY next-level stupid - bullshit we saw in GamerGate (with some folks reacting to Monica Rial here not too dissimilarity from how GamerGaters reacted toward Zoe Quinn).

Its kind of odd and silly to then complain about it when someone responds to people's politically-related points with a politically-focused rebuttal.

[Hellspawn28]

SJWs (the stereotypical SJWs that people hate on the Internet) are not these extreme left wing people that people make out to be. They are just this generation's old-school religious soccer mom with them always bitching about how things are too violent or sexist just like how the 90s soccer moms would do with video games like with Doom and Mortal Kombat. The Alt-Right are way worst since they have a history of killing people and destroying buildings for the last century (The KKK would burn up churches back in the 1910s).

[miguelnuva1]

Another I have noticed.

The kickvic side has women telling their personal stories to defend their statement. Vic has said nothing to argue these stories false instead of trying to find proof to defend Vic the IstandwithVic is instead attacking and trying to devalue these women.

That tells me a lot there.

[RandomGuy96]

SJWs (the stereotypical SJWs that people hate on the Internet) are not these extreme left wing people that people make out to be. They are just this generation's old-school religious soccer mom with them always bitching about how things are too violent or sexist just like how the 90s soccer moms would do with video games like with Doom and Mortal Kombat. The Alt-Right are way worst since they have a history of killing people and destroying buildings for the last century (The KKK would burn up churches back in the 1910s).

That's been my take on it. You can see this clearly in places where "SJW" types have actual power, such as Iceland. There the radical feminists joined forces with the religious right to campaign to have pornography banned. The crossover between "90s soccer moms" as you phrase it (a particular brand of Christian conservatives) and "SJWs" as they're defined today has a long and sordid history, including in the U.S. In the past the two have combined forces to criminalize everything from stripping to alcohol.

The actual extreme left, on the other hand, actually is a big problem due to their economic illiteracy, propagandizing of current events to poison the well, and populist rabble rousing (usually crossing over with the right, e.g. promising inefficient indirect handouts to well-off upper middle class people, railing against trade, and blaming immigration for "stealing jobs" as if the lump of labor actually existed). It is downright disgraceful that popular politicians in places like the U.S. and U.K. can still have careers after, for instance, holding up Hugo Chavez as an economic role model as late as 2012 when it had long become apparent to every economist what was going to happen to his country. They also have a history of terrorism and of being useful idiots of foreign governments, mostly in Europe but also in the U.S., though that's been on a major downsing since the end of the Cold War. However, despite all of the above, whether they're worse than the extreme right depends on what country you're in, and they definitely are not the bigger issue in America. It is, after all, Trump who is president right now, and right-wing extremists of various types who are inflicting the most political violence domestically.

[Kokonoe]

"SJW" are now soccer moms? What the hell does that even mean?

[XanatosVanBadass]

"SJW" are now soccer moms? What the hell does that even mean?

Er... I don’t think anyone’s saying that, but ok.

[MasenkoHA]

"SJW" are now soccer moms? What the hell does that even mean?

Pretty sure they meant SJW are like soccer moms in the sense of being offended by everything.

Well before SJWs were even considered a thing when ever anyone wanted to talk about entertainment (particularly in the US and Canada) not wanting to offend anyone they would refer to soccer moms.

“This was done to not offend any soccer moms”


Nowadays when people want to talk about entertainment not wanting to offend anyone’s sensibilities the go to is sjw.

“This was done to not offend the sjws”

Of course the stereotypical soccer mom is conservative and the stereotypical sjw is leftist

[JohnnyCashKami]

Another I have noticed.

The kickvic side has women telling their personal stories to defend their statement. Vic has said nothing to argue these stories false instead of trying to find proof to defend Vic the IstandwithVic is instead attacking and trying to devalue these women.

That tells me a lot there.

Vic Mignogna has been acting professional and mature unlike the so-called victims who have yet to show actual evidence than hearsays. Clinkenbeard has stayed out of it, does this tell you a lot, too? You're going by what people are saying vs facts.

I don't go by what people say or a lie detector test says, concrete proof is required to show that this or that happened, like anything in life.

[FlpShimizu]

Another I have noticed.

The kickvic side has women telling their personal stories to defend their statement. Vic has said nothing to argue these stories false instead of trying to find proof to defend Vic the IstandwithVic is instead attacking and trying to devalue these women.

That tells me a lot there.

Vic Mignogna has been acting professional and mature unlike the so-called victims who have yet to show actual evidence than hearsays. Clinkenbeard has stayed out of it, does this tell you a lot, too? You're going by what people are saying vs facts.

I don't go by what people say or a lie detector test says, concrete proof is required to show that this or that happened, like anything in life.

He certainly wasn't acting mature and professional when he harassed all these unrelated people at different time periods. Oh, but it must be some conspiracy against a VA nobody besides US dub fans care.

[Kokonoe]

The fact that this thread is trying to normalize the usage of "SJW" is pretty telling in itself. You also have a lot of people trying to pull the centrist game and that is also telling.

SJW is not the modern "soccer mom", in fact I'd say the soccer mom would be offended by two girls kissing but someone who cares about social justice would actually promote that and be happy.

You know what SJW actually is? It's the new term for Feminazi, aka more bashing for people with feminist views. No matter how it is spun the term SJW is not valid and is almost always used to dismiss someone else's concerns about something.

[MasenkoHA]

The fact that this thread is trying to normalize the usage of "SJW" is pretty telling in itself. You also have a lot of people trying to pull the centrist game and that is also telling.

I mean when I think the term SJW I think people who are offended who have a bare minimum understanding of social justice. The ones who call white people eating ethnic food racist. Refer to any sort of example of a man explaining anything as mansplaining.

I agree with you 100% though the term SJW is used way more often to completely dismiss perfectly valid arguments of actual issues oppressed groups of people face.


Diet Social Justice is probably a better term for it.

Sjw shouldn’t even be brought up at all in this scenario of a dude abusing his power to hit on underage girls and groping co-workers.

SJW is not the modern "soccer mom", in fact I'd say the soccer mom would be offended by two girls kissing but someone who cares about social justice would actually promote that and be happy.

I meant only in the “go to” example the internet uses for an easily offended group of people. Not in the political spectrum.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

What's even the point of this thread now??? it seems like it's mostly been reduced to just political/social debates and what not since the majority of the stuff about Vic's conduct has already been revealed at length here. Just an honest observation.

[KBABZ]

Vic Mignogna has been acting professional and mature unlike the so-called victims who have yet to show actual evidence than hearsays. Clinkenbeard has stayed out of it, does this tell you a lot, too? You're going by what people are saying vs facts.

I don't go by what people say or a lie detector test says, concrete proof is required to show that this or that happened, like anything in life.

So countless testimonies and internal investigations don't count as evidence now?

[JulieYBM]

The fact that this thread is trying to normalize the usage of "SJW" is pretty telling in itself. You also have a lot of people trying to pull the centrist game and that is also telling.

I mean when I think the term SJW I think people who are offended who have a bare minimum understanding of social justice. The ones who call white people eating ethnic food racist. Refer to any sort of example of a man explaining anything as mansplaining.

I agree with you 100% though the term SJW is used way more often to completely dismiss perfectly valid arguments of actual issues oppressed groups of people face.


Diet Social Justice is probably a better term for it.

Sjw shouldn’t even be brought up at all in this scenario of a dude abusing his power to hit on underage girls and groping co-workers.

SJW is not the modern "soccer mom", in fact I'd say the soccer mom would be offended by two girls kissing but someone who cares about social justice would actually promote that and be happy.

I meant only in the “go to” example the internet uses for an easily offended group of people. Not in the political spectrum.

'McFeminism', feminism that is as real as the chicken in the McDonald's chicken nuggets.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Another I have noticed.

The kickvic side has women telling their personal stories to defend their statement. Vic has said nothing to argue these stories false instead of trying to find proof to defend Vic the IstandwithVic is instead attacking and trying to devalue these women.

That tells me a lot there.

Vic Mignogna has been acting professional and mature unlike the so-called victims who have yet to show actual evidence than hearsays. Clinkenbeard has stayed out of it, does this tell you a lot, too? You're going by what people are saying vs facts.

I don't go by what people say or a lie detector test says, concrete proof is required to show that this or that happened, like anything in life.

Lie detectors don't work.

[jjgp1112]

Another I have noticed.

The kickvic side has women telling their personal stories to defend their statement. Vic has said nothing to argue these stories false instead of trying to find proof to defend Vic the IstandwithVic is instead attacking and trying to devalue these women.

That tells me a lot there.

Vic Mignogna has been acting professional and mature unlike the so-called victims who have yet to show actual evidence than hearsays. Clinkenbeard has stayed out of it, does this tell you a lot, too? You're going by what people are saying vs facts.

I don't go by what people say or a lie detector test says, concrete proof is required to show that this or that happened, like anything in life.

Can you please stop embarrassing yourself?

[MasenkoHA]

Vic Mignogna has been acting professional and mature unlike the so-called victims who have yet to show actual evidence than hearsays.

Why are you so fucking dense? This has been explained to you repeatedly and repeatedly.

The fuck kind of actual evidence do you expect?

Clinkenbeard has stayed out of it, does this tell you a lot, too?

Okay? We don’t know why she hasn’t commented.. She doesn’t owe us a comment nor is her not saying anything evidence in Vic’s favor. For all we know she wants to avoid the rapid Vic fans and alt righters who have come after Monica? Maybe she’s never personally had to deal with his behavior and doesn’t think it’s her place to comment on it

Her lack of two cents means shit.

You're going by what people are saying vs facts.

Okay and it’s a FACT that multiple people have been saying this shit about Vic for years. People in a position to know more about him than some idiot with a Youtube channel have said these things about him.

Common sense isn’t so common I guess.

I don't go by what people say or a lie detector test says, concrete proof is required to show that this or that happened, like anything in life.

Good grief. It’s like you don’t even understand how sexual harassment and assault even works.