Kunzait_83 wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:35 pm
Shaddy wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:17 pm
In fairness, I had no idea "uppity" was racist either. I guess I'll remember to not use that one.
KBABZ wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:13 pm
As someone with Autism, it's also possible (albeit slim) that he didn't even know it was racist terminology. I certainly didn't until you guys made it pretty clear they were.
Its a beyond sad and pathetic indictment of the historical/contextual bankruptcy of modern educational standards that I even HAVE to give ANYONE above the age of 5 a basic history lesson of this nature. But fine, here goes:
In the old days (like, the 1800s and early 1900s, and times when blackface in general was basically totally accepted and popular), a common term for black people who spoke up or defended themselves from racist words and rhetoric in ANY WAY was "uppity negro". That, and the condescending use of the word "boy" instead of their name or at least a simple "Mr."
Like... this is VERY basic, well known historical terminology in how white people used to talk down to black people back in the day any time one of them DARED to "talk back" or "complain" too loudly in any way. A black person who tried to fight back in ANY way and stand up for themselves were then seen among white society as being the worst, or at least most annoying and irritating, thing that a black person could be to white people back then: an "uppity negro". To be talked down to and dismissed like a misbehaving child that's acting out and throwing a tantrum in a toy store.
Again, this was VERY common (stereotypically so) dehumanizing, belittling, and outright infantilizing
language against black people intended to be dismissive of them whenever they tried to fight back: language that is VERY well deeply baked into the national/cultural consciousness to the point where its basically on more or less the same general playing field as a racist calling a black person they happen to personally like and get along with "one of the good ones".
Xanatos basically replied to someone (who may well be black themselves) getting pissed about defending blackface by saying "don't get uppity with me" and referring to them as "boy". EXACTLY the sort of context that an old-school racist would use that kind of wording back in the day.
Yeah... that is WAY too fucking on-the-nose to be in ANY WAY coincidental. The BEST possible reading is that it was an INCREDIBLY piss-poor, fucking outright braindead attempt at humor and being "ironic" (same thing that countless thousands of 4chan morons have claimed is their intention when they post Klan and Nazi shit). The worst possibility... well, you get the idea.
SaiyaSith wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:13 pm
Also telling people to leave the site or asking them to be banned for having differing opinions is very immature and ridiculous.
Xanatos wasn't taking shit from people here for "having a differing opinion": it was because he said something ridiculously, fucking garishly racist, in a manner and context that is NOT AT ALL remotely ok for ANYONE to be doing.
Setting aside the possibility he was making a (unbelievably, colossally) poor and stupid attempt at "humor" - if he was serious, then defending blackface, in general and PARTICULARLY by telling someone who is (rightly and justifiably) offended by it to "quit being uppity boy"... that's NOT a "matter of one's opinion" that you get to just have and trot out freely on a site who's owner is STAUNCHLY against giving a platform to such garbage.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and declare right now the "Mommy and daddy are fighting!" crowd to be almost approaching as grating, moronic, unhelpful, and generally awful as the outward scumbag hate-mongers and sexual assault-apologists. If the worst thing in the world to you ISN'T people being hurt in real life and their attackers lionized and protected en-masse by people within your own fandom (or just, y'know, in general) but rather its the fact that people are getting (VERY correctly and justly) angry and heated about something legitimately serious that actually matters and has real stakes for real people's safety and well-being:
You are the very textbook definition of a total fucking pussbag spineless coward, and the only party in any of this that your lame-ass, impotent whining is helping or benefiting are the people who are doing the victimizing. There isn't ANY way to sugarcoat this: this is one of those instances unfortunately where if you're not part of the solution, then you are at a bare minimum helping to at least SLIGHTLY nudge along the problem.
If some harsh words and a stern tone are all it takes to set you off and try to pull some kind of dimwitted, myopic, disingenuous "both side-ism" bullshit ("The problem is EVERYONE is taking this TOO SERIOUSLY and NEEDS TO CALM DOWN and be CIVIL to one another! EVERYONE'S entitled to their opinion: even if that opinion is that sexual assault is perfectly ok and a victimless crime!"): then honestly, it would be FAR better for EVERYONE involved if you just left the thread entirely and stayed out of it completely.
If you don't have enough skin in the game or enough of a fucking backbone in general to take a genuinely principled stand against even some of the most indefensibly sick, twisted slime pouring from the mouths of some of the people involved in this clusterfuck and say unequivocally "This shit is NOT fucking welcome or acceptable here."... then honestly, its better you just shut the hell up and clear out of the way rather than lay in the middle of the road and act as ultimately just another useful idiot to the Redpill-leaning freaks and sickos by furthering and bolstering this completely idiotic false-equivalence that "Both sides are entitled to their opinions, and no one is right or wrong here, and the worst possible thing that anyone
can conceivably do here is yell at someone and hurt their feelings slightly."
This isn't a fucking "Which musical score to a 1980s & 90s Japanese kids cartoon do you prefer?" thread: this is about not just real life crimes with real life victims (who's personal physical safety to whatever degree is a legitimate cause of concern), but yes, its also about the MUCH deeper - and indeed quite poisonous - social, cultural, and psychological underpinnings at play in not just the people who COMMIT these crimes physically, but moreover the rest of society around them that ALLOWS them to continue committing them by either just looking the other way or worse by actively PROTECTING them.
The usual "Keep everything Shonen" rules of the site simply DO NOT and CANNOT apply in this particular case. Either have something legitimately useful or constructive to add, or else go find a Power Rangers or Yu-Gi-Oh fan forum somewhere else to wallow in for awhile and get the fuck out of everyone else's way. Period.
Because then otherwise your continuing to hang around a thread/conflict that you claim is bothering and distressing you so much with how heated its getting and doing nothing but continuing to basically paint the situation as "both sides are totally equal" (which again only helps and lends undue legitimacy to the pro-Vic goons) calls into question how supposedly "neutral" on this matter you ACTUALLY are deep down.